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Climate Change and Health Seminar: "Heat health effects: research to inform policy."

November 05, 2020
  • 00:00- Good morning, everyone.
  • 00:03Noon.
  • 00:04Welcome to the Yale Center on Climate Change
  • 00:06and Health seminar.
  • 00:08I'm your host today, Dr. Kai Chan,
  • 00:10assistant professor at the Yale school of public health.
  • 00:14During the presentation if you have any questions
  • 00:17you can use the chat box
  • 00:19and we will try to address them as the speaker finishes.
  • 00:24As a reminder, today's seminar will be recorded.
  • 00:27So, it is my great pleasure today to introduce our speaker
  • 00:33professor Greg Wellenius from Boston university
  • 00:37school of public health.
  • 00:38So Greg is actually the 2019,
  • 00:41recipient of the ISEE Tony McMichael award.
  • 00:46So it is very exciting to have Greg here today because,
  • 00:50everyone knows Tony McMichael was the pioneer
  • 00:54that developed the connection
  • 00:56between epidemiology and the global countries.
  • 00:59So with that legacy,
  • 01:01I would like to take it over to Greg and very much,
  • 01:05looking forward to your talk.
  • 01:08- Wonderful.
  • 01:09Thank you, Kai.
  • 01:10Thanks so much for the invitation to speak here.
  • 01:12And I only wish we could meet in person,
  • 01:14under better circumstances.
  • 01:16I was telling Kai before
  • 01:19a few minutes earlier that one of the great pleasures
  • 01:22of giving seminars in places is visiting with the people
  • 01:26in small groups.
  • 01:28So hopefully we'll have the opportunity to do that,
  • 01:31again shortly.
  • 01:33So let me share my screen.
  • 01:39Okay.
  • 01:40So you should be able to see my slides,
  • 01:42Kai, give me the thumbs up or somebody can see my screen.
  • 01:48Okay, great.
  • 01:49So we'll just go ahead and get started.
  • 01:52So yeah, so feel free to stop me along the way.
  • 01:55I will rely on Kai to flag me down
  • 01:57if you wanna put questions in the chat window
  • 02:00and then I can stop,
  • 02:02I don't mind being interrupted
  • 02:03and that way we can make it more interactive that's fine.
  • 02:06I should mention that,
  • 02:07I am currently a visiting scientist
  • 02:11working with Google and, this
  • 02:17nothing I say here should be interpreted
  • 02:19as being the official position of Google.
  • 02:22All right.
  • 02:23So with that I will get started.
  • 02:26So I wanted to talk today about the effects
  • 02:29of heat on health, which is,
  • 02:32very well described in the scientific literature
  • 02:35and connect that to
  • 02:37why we have sort of this disconnect between,
  • 02:41what we know about heat and the fact that
  • 02:44people continue to die of a heat related illness.
  • 02:49So the problem, as I see it is that excess heat
  • 02:51is a widely recognized threat to public health.
  • 02:54It's often cited based on CDC statistics
  • 02:57that in the U.S more people die
  • 02:59of extreme heat each year
  • 03:00than of any other meteorologic event.
  • 03:03So despite all this knowledge,
  • 03:06that we have about the risks of
  • 03:09days of extreme and perhaps moderate heat,
  • 03:12there seems to have been remarkably little progress
  • 03:15towards preventing heat related illness and death.
  • 03:17So we still see that heat waves
  • 03:19are a major source of morbidity and mortality
  • 03:22across the world.
  • 03:23And so this got us thinking that
  • 03:26this suggests a lack of translation
  • 03:27of the abundance scientific knowledge about risks
  • 03:30into public health action.
  • 03:32And so just to highlight the point
  • 03:35for those that may not be as familiar.
  • 03:37So a Seminole study by Antonio Gasperini and colleagues,
  • 03:41London school of hygiene, tropical medicine,
  • 03:44published several years ago
  • 03:45and have since published extensively,
  • 03:47globally on the impacts of heat on health.
  • 03:51And just to zoom in on a couple of locations,
  • 03:55you could see that there's this,
  • 03:58U shaped relationship between,
  • 04:01daily maximum temperature,
  • 04:02is typically used and the relative risk of
  • 04:04some adverse outcome in this case mortality.
  • 04:07And you can see that there is a temperature,
  • 04:11what we'll call the temperature of minimum mortality,
  • 04:12or the optimal temperature at which the fewest
  • 04:15number of people die.
  • 04:18And then as temperatures get warmer than that,
  • 04:21you see a sharp increase, in,
  • 04:24the relative risk of mortality and the shape of this curve,
  • 04:28varies from location to location,
  • 04:30but the pattern has been shown throughout the world,
  • 04:35by Gasperini and colleagues, as well as
  • 04:39other groups in specific locations.
  • 04:41So this is pretty universal
  • 04:42and pretty well understood at this point.
  • 04:45In the U.S we additionally know,
  • 04:48about the effects on morbidity.
  • 04:51So as measured by hospital admissions.
  • 04:53So this is some terrific work done by Jennifer Bob
  • 04:56working with Francesca Dominici at Harvard and team.
  • 05:00And, so this was in the Medicare population
  • 05:03looking at millions of hospital admissions
  • 05:08for a number of different causes and showing
  • 05:11both the relative risk and the risk difference of,
  • 05:14hospital admissions for different causes that you can see.
  • 05:20Increased relative risk of fluid
  • 05:22and electrolyte disorders, renal conditions,
  • 05:23urinary tract infections, heat stroke,
  • 05:27and other external causes.
  • 05:29And, with the risk difference shown there as well.
  • 05:34So, interestingly although heatstroke
  • 05:37has the biggest relative risk
  • 05:38because it's relatively uncommon as a diagnosis,
  • 05:41the risk differences is smaller than for some other causes.
  • 05:45So terrific work.
  • 05:47So this is just a sampling.
  • 05:48There's a huge literature now on this,
  • 05:50and very large studies demonstrating
  • 05:52that extreme heat is associated with higher rates of death
  • 05:55and hospitalization all across the world.
  • 05:58Moderate heat is associated with higher rates of death, and,
  • 06:02building amounts of evidence suggesting also
  • 06:05with hospitalization.
  • 06:07And we know that the vulnerability of these effects
  • 06:10varies by personal housing
  • 06:12and neighborhood characteristics.
  • 06:14Further we know that the U.S has already warmed
  • 06:17more than a degree and is projected
  • 06:20to warm further through the end of the century
  • 06:21in substantially with that,
  • 06:24regional substantial regional variation and how much,
  • 06:27further warming we expect to see.
  • 06:31So how do we translate this into action
  • 06:35that actually saves lives and reduces the health impact?
  • 06:39So local public health and emergency
  • 06:41preparedness officials
  • 06:43need to know something a little bit different.
  • 06:44They need to know what are the health risks
  • 06:46associated with a given climate hazard in my location,
  • 06:49what local actions can I take
  • 06:52to protect the public health
  • 06:53and do these actions actually work?
  • 06:55So I'm gonna walk you through some of the research
  • 06:58that we've done in this domain.
  • 07:02And I'll start with what are the health risks
  • 07:03associated with a given climate hazard
  • 07:05in a particular location?
  • 07:07So I started this work when I was in Rhode Island,
  • 07:11actually Julia Gold at the time
  • 07:14at the Rhode Island department of health,
  • 07:15came to me and said,
  • 07:17we really wanna know how many people
  • 07:20are dying of heat and Rhode Island and how many ed visits,
  • 07:23we have in Rhode Island.
  • 07:25We need to know how to prioritize this.
  • 07:27And I said, well, there's lots of literature
  • 07:28it's a big problem you should just be worried about it.
  • 07:30And she said, no, can you give me a number?
  • 07:32And so I said, okay sure
  • 07:34let's try to give a number.
  • 07:36And then it turned out that New Hampshire and Maine
  • 07:39were also in interested in the same question.
  • 07:42Public health officials in those States
  • 07:45were interested in the same question.
  • 07:47And because this was done at small,
  • 07:49relatively smaller populations,
  • 07:53we all had the challenge
  • 07:54of having sufficient statistical power,
  • 07:57to examine the associations
  • 07:59between heat and either mortality or ed visits,
  • 08:02in our own communities.
  • 08:04So we partnered with between Rhode Island,
  • 08:09New Hampshire and Maine to pull data,
  • 08:12do the analysis in each of the community shown here
  • 08:15and then pull the results to have enough statistical power.
  • 08:19And we also engage with the regional offices
  • 08:21of the national weather service, in order,
  • 08:25they were interested to reconsider the
  • 08:30threshold criteria at which the,
  • 08:33heat advisories or heat warnings were issued
  • 08:35based on local evidence.
  • 08:37So we were trying to provide local actionable evidence,
  • 08:41and in particular in communities outside of
  • 08:43the large cities of the area that would otherwise,
  • 08:46dominate the signal.
  • 08:49And so we found what you'd expect is that the,
  • 08:52here we were interested in heat index,
  • 08:54'cause we were doing this in partnership
  • 08:57with the national weather service and heat index is
  • 08:58this combination of temperature and humidity that,
  • 09:01they often use for issuing heat warnings
  • 09:03and heat advisories.
  • 09:05And we found approximately what we expected,
  • 09:08that there was a monotonic relationship
  • 09:10between increasing maximum daily heat index
  • 09:13and relative risk of emergency department admissions
  • 09:16that you see there on the left
  • 09:18and deaths there as you see there on the right.
  • 09:21And, these were about of the expected magnitude.
  • 09:24And you can see that even pooling across these 15 locations,
  • 09:27the confidence intervals around our estimates of,
  • 09:30for mortality relative to some mortality
  • 09:33were somewhat imprecise.
  • 09:35So, the, I think the key part of this is,
  • 09:40to translate sort of relative risks
  • 09:42and smooth curves, which are available,
  • 09:47with standard software now,
  • 09:49thanks in large part to work by Gasperini and colleagues,
  • 09:54is to translate that into real numbers.
  • 09:57So, okay.
  • 09:59So a curve is all good but how does that translate to
  • 10:03number of excess ed visits or excess deaths
  • 10:07attributable to days of different heat indices?
  • 10:11So we created this table where the bottom row here
  • 10:14shows you on all the days of 100 degrees
  • 10:18with a heat index of 100 degrees or higher,
  • 10:20how many excess deaths,
  • 10:21excess CD visits were there on the same day, or,
  • 10:25incorporating the lag effects up to seven days.
  • 10:29And so, across these 15 new England towns,
  • 10:31there were 39 additional ed visits
  • 10:34on all days over 100 degrees and 232.
  • 10:39If you incorporate the lag structure,
  • 10:42the fact that the next day
  • 10:44and the next day might also have some excess ed visits
  • 10:46and about four to eight excess deaths
  • 10:50for the days above 100 during this time period.
  • 10:52And, obviously there's more days that are at,
  • 10:55or above 95 degrees.
  • 10:57And so then, those numbers are bigger and, at,
  • 11:01or above 95 degrees,
  • 11:02there's close to 200 to 700 depending on,
  • 11:06how far out in the delay you want to incorporate,
  • 11:11excess ed visits.
  • 11:14So we took this information to the national weather service,
  • 11:17to the regional office for the national weather service
  • 11:19and said, look, we think that at temperatures below that,
  • 11:22at which you currently issue heat advisories.
  • 11:25So during this time heat advisories were
  • 11:27issued by the national weather service for days
  • 11:30with a heat index forecast to be above 100 degrees.
  • 11:33We said, look at days as low as 95 or 90,
  • 11:37we still see excess ed visits.
  • 11:40And you can see that in the curves too, that,
  • 11:42it's relatively monotonic so there's no reason
  • 11:44to pick just 100 degrees as the threshold.
  • 11:46It could be even at 95 degrees, you could,
  • 11:50presumably warn or prevent
  • 11:53some excess morbidity and mortality.
  • 11:56And the national weather service said, okay
  • 11:59that's great.
  • 12:00And, so let me
  • 12:05I'm gonna skip ahead to the national weather service.
  • 12:08Okay, sorry.
  • 12:10So before I get to the national weather service story,
  • 12:13so 'cause I think that's really important, but then,
  • 12:15so I want to shout out to Kate Weinberger,
  • 12:18who was a postdoc in my group at the time.
  • 12:20And what she said is, okay, this is great for New England,
  • 12:21but how many people die of
  • 12:24deaths attributable to heat across the country?
  • 12:28And so using data that we had a mortality through 2006,
  • 12:32she estimated that there were 5,000 or more excess deaths
  • 12:39per year across the U.S attributable to heat.
  • 12:42This number is really important because
  • 12:43it's about an order of magnitude
  • 12:45higher than what the CDC estimates
  • 12:51report for heat related deaths that are those
  • 12:54that are coded as being due to heat.
  • 12:57And so when we think of sort of the,
  • 12:59public health burden of disease of heat related illness,
  • 13:03the CDC estimates, are important,
  • 13:06but we think a likely an underestimate
  • 13:09of the true excess mortality due to heat.
  • 13:12The other important point here is
  • 13:15that if we separate out the extreme heat days
  • 13:18versus the moderate heat days,
  • 13:20so we defined extreme heat
  • 13:22as those days above the 95th percentile
  • 13:24for a particular location.
  • 13:26And these 297 counties across the U.S.
  • 13:30The burden of disease is actually bigger for,
  • 13:34deaths due to moderate heat.
  • 13:35And that's been reported previously,
  • 13:38across the world and in the U.S but it,
  • 13:41this puts concrete numbers on that that
  • 13:44moderate heat accounts for a substantial burden of disease.
  • 13:49And the other key point from this study is that, the risk,
  • 13:54or the excess mortality is not distributed uniformly
  • 13:58across the U.S and there's parts of the country,
  • 14:01that seem much more vulnerable to,
  • 14:05heat-related mortality than others.
  • 14:08Again, emphasizing the importance of local knowledge
  • 14:10and local action to prevent these.
  • 14:14Okay, so let's turn to local actions,
  • 14:17that can be taken to protect the public's health
  • 14:20and evaluating if these actions actually work.
  • 14:24So in the U.S the national weather service issues,
  • 14:27heat, advisories, and excess heat warnings
  • 14:30when the heat index is forecast to be high.
  • 14:33Now, and this is for most places,
  • 14:35there's a handful of places
  • 14:38that use the other criteria besides heat index.
  • 14:40But these warnings that are issued,
  • 14:42provide information that the public can take,
  • 14:44of actions that the public can take to protect their health.
  • 14:48And in some places the warnings may also trigger
  • 14:52activation of local heat response plans,
  • 14:55that may involve things like opening cooling centers, or,
  • 14:59reaching out to particularly vulnerable communities
  • 15:02in addition to targeted messaging,
  • 15:05and the optimal thresholds for issuing
  • 15:07these heat advisories or heat warnings,
  • 15:11remain largely unknown or unstudied,
  • 15:15refer to heat advisories and warnings together
  • 15:18as heat alerts.
  • 15:19So based on the work we did in that New England study,
  • 15:24working with the national weather service regional office,
  • 15:27they decided to partition the Northeast, which was,
  • 15:31had one criteria for issuing heat advisories
  • 15:35prior to this work starting in summer 2017,
  • 15:37they changed it so that the,
  • 15:41new way in New England was treated separately
  • 15:43from the rest of the Northeast,
  • 15:45acknowledging that the vulnerability
  • 15:47to a heat related illness might be different in New England,
  • 15:53not just based on our study,
  • 15:56there's other studies that have shown that as well.
  • 15:58So this felt like a major public health victory.
  • 16:00So following this starting of the summer of 2017,
  • 16:04the national weather service in the region,
  • 16:07issued heat advisories when the heat index
  • 16:12was forecast to be greater than 95 degrees.
  • 16:17And there was some confusion as to whether
  • 16:18that should be for one day or for two days,
  • 16:20it was initially for two days.
  • 16:21And, then they subsequently revised the criteria,
  • 16:25to be consistent across the New England region.
  • 16:29So essentially changing the heat advisory threshold
  • 16:32from 100 degrees heat index to 95 degrees heat index.
  • 16:36So this felt like, to me,
  • 16:37a major public health victory, this was, one study,
  • 16:41one paper that, and a series of conversations
  • 16:45that ended up changing the criteria,
  • 16:48at which heat advisories are issued for,
  • 16:51a region with a substantial population.
  • 16:53So that felt very impactful,
  • 16:55but it leads to the question of okay,
  • 16:57so we're issuing more heat advisories now
  • 17:00than we were before,
  • 17:02because we've changed the threshold.
  • 17:03Does that actually save anybody's life?
  • 17:06So, we weren't the first or the only ones
  • 17:10to be having this type of conversation.
  • 17:12We followed in that research some very nice work,
  • 17:17from New York city,
  • 17:18where they also informed local policy
  • 17:21through evaluation of data in New York city.
  • 17:24And so the question we were asking is,
  • 17:28what is the optimal threshold for issuing heat alerts,
  • 17:32heat warnings, and heat advisories.
  • 17:35But these conversations assume that issuing
  • 17:38heat advisories and warnings actually
  • 17:40reduces heat-related morbidity and mortality.
  • 17:44And there's been relatively few studies on that question.
  • 17:48What, again, there's a handful of studies,
  • 17:51but one that I particularly like is this study from,
  • 17:56Tarik Benmarhina while he was still at McGill and looking,
  • 18:01taking a very creative approach to looking
  • 18:03at the effectiveness of the heat action plan that including
  • 18:06included a new heat early warning system on,
  • 18:11heat related mortality in Montreal.
  • 18:14And, that team reported that the,
  • 18:20that having this heat action plan implemented in Montreal,
  • 18:25reduced mortality during hot days
  • 18:27by about two and a half deaths per day,
  • 18:30and with particularly larger effects amongst the elderly.
  • 18:34So we wanted that's exactly the question
  • 18:37we wanted to ask is the issuing of heat warnings,
  • 18:39heat early warning system.
  • 18:41How much does that benefit the population?
  • 18:44So we built this study on the advantage
  • 18:49that heat warnings are issued by people,
  • 18:52and they're issued on forecasts.
  • 18:54They're not completely algorithmic.
  • 18:56They are issued by specialists
  • 18:58at the national weather service
  • 19:00that are focused on heat warnings.
  • 19:02And, they,
  • 19:05there's a collection of days where we forecast
  • 19:08that there will be a high degree of heat.
  • 19:13And then it turns out to be a little bit less,
  • 19:15and then there's other days where we forecast,
  • 19:17lower heat levels.
  • 19:22And it turns out to be a little bit higher.
  • 19:23So the forecast can be wrong even just a little bit.
  • 19:26And because they're issued by people,
  • 19:28there's some discretion in how much they think
  • 19:31people need to know about the upcoming heat.
  • 19:34So for instance, we were told that on the 4th of July,
  • 19:37you might issue a heat alert at a slightly lower,
  • 19:40forecast heat index, then on another day,
  • 19:43because so many people are gonna be outside.
  • 19:45So many people are going to be exposed that maybe,
  • 19:48we can have the flexibility to change that threshold.
  • 19:51And that was entirely built into the system.
  • 19:54So there should be these days with a similar heat index,
  • 19:57right around sort of the warning threshold,
  • 20:01some of which have a heat warning some of which do not.
  • 20:05And so that's the
  • 20:09paradigm we were taking advantage of.
  • 20:11And at the time we had data on heat warnings from 20 cities
  • 20:17that issue heat warnings regularly.
  • 20:20And, we matched us to the mortality data we had
  • 20:22from the CDC.
  • 20:25So the overlap between these two data sets is 2001 to 2006.
  • 20:31And, again, comparing days of similar heat index,
  • 20:37with versus without a heat alert,
  • 20:40this is the relative risk of mortality,
  • 20:43associated with having a heat alert.
  • 20:46And so if he'd warnings or heat advisories were,
  • 20:49protective of the population,
  • 20:51you would expect to see a decreased,
  • 20:54relative risk or a decrease in the rate of mortality
  • 20:59on days with a heat alert compared to without.
  • 21:01So interestingly, we did not see that
  • 21:03across these 20 cities,
  • 21:05overall there was a null association.
  • 21:08And the one place where we did see an association was,
  • 21:13Philadelphia with a reduction of about 4%
  • 21:16in mortality of about 4% on days
  • 21:17with a heat warning versus without.
  • 21:19So this could be for a couple of reasons.
  • 21:23One Philadelphia, we know has been very proactive about,
  • 21:27having a robust heat early warning system
  • 21:29and taking action on days expected to have high mortality.
  • 21:35It could also be that this was 20 estimates,
  • 21:39and that one out of 20 was,
  • 21:41in the direction that we expected.
  • 21:44So clearly needs a followup study,
  • 21:48but then we played the thought experiment of
  • 21:52so heat alerts were effective
  • 21:55at reducing mortality in Philadelphia.
  • 21:57And the number of deaths we estimated,
  • 21:59that were averted in Philadelphia
  • 22:03each time they issued a heat alert,
  • 22:05was about four and a half or five lives per time.
  • 22:09And so if you extrapolate that to the,
  • 22:13typical year in Philadelphia during this time,
  • 22:16that meant that the heat early warning system
  • 22:18saved about 45 lives per year.
  • 22:21Again, lots of assumptions of causality,
  • 22:23but it gives us a starting point that if the,
  • 22:29if heat warnings could be as effective
  • 22:32as they were observed to be in Philadelphia
  • 22:35during this time then a city like New York,
  • 22:38or Dallas or Phoenix,
  • 22:41could potentially save avert quite a few lives per year,
  • 22:47depending on the effectiveness of the heat warning
  • 22:49and how often the heat alerts are issued per year.
  • 22:53So this provides,
  • 22:55a rough for back of the envelope calculation as to
  • 22:58how many lives could potentially be averted each year,
  • 23:03across the country if heat warnings, reduced,
  • 23:09mortality by the same magnitude as we saw in Philadelphia.
  • 23:15Okay.
  • 23:16And, again,
  • 23:17I want to emphasize that we're not the only ones
  • 23:19that have considered this question.
  • 23:20This is some great work by Kristie Ebi
  • 23:2515 years earlier, showing that in Philadelphia, exactly.
  • 23:31The heat warning system, she estimated,
  • 23:33each time that a heat warning
  • 23:36was activated at saved two and a half lives per day.
  • 23:40So, in the same ballpark of the estimates,
  • 23:44we were seeing but in a very different time period.
  • 23:47Okay, so there's lots of limitations to this study.
  • 23:50One of them is that the data we were using
  • 23:52at the time was old, was mortality data through 2006.
  • 23:56So, Kate Weinberger has since been updating this,
  • 24:02sorta with more recent mortality data from,
  • 24:06nine Northeastern cities
  • 24:07where we found the data readily available
  • 24:10in collaboration with Joel Schwartz and team.
  • 24:12And, there, we, she found, that perhaps,
  • 24:173% mortality benefit on heat warning days versus,
  • 24:21days with versus without heat warnings.
  • 24:24So maybe it's just that in 2006 and earlier,
  • 24:28when most places did not yet have a heat action plan, then,
  • 24:32we don't see very much of a benefit,
  • 24:34but in more recent times where,
  • 24:35many more communities do have heat action plans,
  • 24:38tied to those heat alerts that we see,
  • 24:43perhaps some signals so we're following that up
  • 24:46in a broader population.
  • 24:47And then the other question is of course,
  • 24:50is that mortality is not the only outcome of interest that,
  • 24:53we also want to prevent illness,
  • 24:56as reflected through hospitalizations.
  • 24:59And, here we saw in 97 counties
  • 25:03in 2007 to 2012,
  • 25:06using Medicare hospital admission data.
  • 25:10We found no reduction
  • 25:13in the risk of emergency hospitalization
  • 25:16during this time point.
  • 25:18So again, to works in progress that,
  • 25:22we're following up on a larger scale
  • 25:23and with more recent data.
  • 25:27Okay,
  • 25:29so our national weather service heat warnings effective,
  • 25:32they may reduce the risk of death in some cities,
  • 25:35but we don't yet see evidence of
  • 25:37widespread health benefits.
  • 25:40And if that's true and again it needs to be confirmed,
  • 25:43but that would represent a missed opportunity
  • 25:47to prevent heat-related morbidity and mortality.
  • 25:51There's lots of limitations to the analysis I've shown here,
  • 25:54and we're working to actively to address these limitations.
  • 25:59So I just wanna emphasize the,
  • 26:02that we're at the beginning of the road here not the end.
  • 26:05Okay, so I wanna turn to talking about,
  • 26:09how susceptibility to heat related illness
  • 26:13might vary by age groups.
  • 26:15And, so in one of the first studies we did in Rhode Island,
  • 26:20we looked at emergency department visits,
  • 26:23to the to Rhode Island over several years now,
  • 26:27there's only a million people in Rhode Island.
  • 26:29So again, there's an issue about statistical power.
  • 26:35But the interesting thing is that, of course,
  • 26:37we all think of the elderly as really vulnerable.
  • 26:39And what we saw is that for heat related ed visits,
  • 26:44in fact, the relative risk was a lot higher,
  • 26:48so this is excess relative risk.
  • 26:50So these are percents.
  • 26:51So this would be an odds ratio of 1.6, approximately.
  • 26:56So that the relative risk was actually higher in
  • 26:59that study for population of adults of non elderly adults,
  • 27:0318 to 64 and with significant for kids also
  • 27:07or children and adolescents 18 and under,
  • 27:11so what to follow that up.
  • 27:15More recently we partnered with Ari Bernstein, the Harvard,
  • 27:20center for climate health and the global environment,
  • 27:25and using data from on ed visits from a network
  • 27:31of standalone U.S children's hospitals.
  • 27:34These are 47 hospitals and the recent Tara
  • 27:37with a total of three point million ed visits,
  • 27:39amongst children and adolescents.
  • 27:42And you can see the location of the hospital here
  • 27:44as well as the relative size and contribution.
  • 27:48And so a little bit hard to see here,
  • 27:52but so what we see is that the overall relationship between,
  • 27:57maximum daily temperature and the relative risk
  • 28:01of ed visits for all causes in
  • 28:03this population is a 1.17 or about a 17% increase.
  • 28:07And for heat related illness it's about
  • 28:10a relative risk of 1.83.
  • 28:12And again, you see it's interesting for all cause ed visits,
  • 28:18there's not a lot of heterogeneity by age,
  • 28:21but there does seem for heat related illness
  • 28:22specifically seem to be somewhat of a stronger effect
  • 28:25amongst the older adolescents.
  • 28:28So that was really interesting.
  • 28:32And then we wanted to sort
  • 28:34of move beyond heat related illness
  • 28:36to look at a number of potential causes.
  • 28:39And this is a little bit hard to see.
  • 28:41So I just wanna zoom in a little bit.
  • 28:42So to the, we considered a number
  • 28:45of different categories of disease,
  • 28:47some of them that we sort of had prior hypotheses for,
  • 28:51and some that seemed like we should just check.
  • 28:53And these are adjusted for multiple comparisons
  • 28:56in this sort of more agnostic analysis.
  • 28:59And you can see that heat related illness of course
  • 29:02comes up with a very high relative risk,
  • 29:04but there's other interesting
  • 29:06and much less explored associations
  • 29:09between different causes of ed visits
  • 29:11in children and adolescents and temperature.
  • 29:14So, more to be done there,
  • 29:17but we're quite excited by these results.
  • 29:21I'll make the point as in the paper
  • 29:24I showed you at the beginning by Jennifer Bob
  • 29:26and colleagues that not all the,
  • 29:30those conditions with the highest relative risk
  • 29:32don't always have the biggest sort of numeric impact.
  • 29:36So heat related illness here,
  • 29:39you see the attributable fraction.
  • 29:41So of the heat related illness
  • 29:42a substantial proportion are due to heat.
  • 29:45And, but heat related illnesses
  • 29:49and in frequent or uncommon diagnosis.
  • 29:53And so the out of 100,000 ed visits,
  • 29:56it contributes a relatively small proportion.
  • 29:59Whereas for injury and poisonings are very,
  • 30:01very common diagnosis amongst kids, as,
  • 30:04so even though the attributable fraction
  • 30:08is smaller for them the attributable number
  • 30:10per 100,00 ed visits total
  • 30:13is much bigger because it's much common.
  • 30:17Okay, so I wanna share with you some,
  • 30:20very exciting work that Darren Son in my group is,
  • 30:24leading and working on.
  • 30:25So this is now turning to 18 to 64 year old individuals.
  • 30:30And this is amongst an insured population,
  • 30:32working with data from the Optum labs.
  • 30:39And obviously here you have the number of sorry,
  • 30:44the average summer maximum temperature.
  • 30:46And then this just shows you sort of the distribution
  • 30:48of where we have information on in this population.
  • 30:52So it tends to follow,
  • 30:54the distribution of population
  • 30:57focused on obviously more urban locations.
  • 31:01But, this particular data set has a more info
  • 31:04tends to have more information in the Southeast
  • 31:06and in the Southwest.
  • 31:09And, you can see here is
  • 31:13that overall there's a relative risk of ed visits,
  • 31:17amongst these non elderly adults an odds ratio of 1.1,
  • 31:24let's say about a 9% increase in risk
  • 31:26and for heat related illness
  • 31:28it's a relative risk of about 1.9.
  • 31:32And again, you see some variation in,
  • 31:36the relative risk by age,
  • 31:38some heterogeneity by age that we'll explore
  • 31:40a little bit further to see.
  • 31:43It's interesting though that sort of repeatedly
  • 31:45we're seeing that although elderly are known to be,
  • 31:49and there's good evidence
  • 31:50that they are a susceptible subgroup,
  • 31:53that's by no means the only part of the age distribution,
  • 31:56where we have sensitivities and in there's,
  • 31:58we know of from other studies, outdoor workers,
  • 32:01children that spend a lot of time outside,
  • 32:04perhaps children's spending time
  • 32:05in non-air conditioned schools,
  • 32:07can also be quite a bit at risk.
  • 32:12Okay.
  • 32:13So turning back to the, the bigger, framework.
  • 32:16So on a global and national scale,
  • 32:18we think that we understand
  • 32:20the adverse health impacts of heat.
  • 32:22But there's been this lack of translation
  • 32:24of abundance scientific knowledge on the risks
  • 32:27and to public health action in terms of prevention.
  • 32:30And so, again,
  • 32:32this means that there's insufficient evidence
  • 32:35to guide the public health response
  • 32:36to present day or future heat.
  • 32:39If we were designing, optimal response to heat,
  • 32:44Jeremy Hess and Kristie Ebi have written nicely about this,
  • 32:48you'd define dangerously hot weather,
  • 32:50you'd forecast it well,
  • 32:52you'd identify who's at greatest risk of these effects.
  • 32:55You'd intervene to reduce those health impacts,
  • 32:58and you'd evaluate the effectiveness of those interventions.
  • 33:01And you do this on a continuous cycle.
  • 33:03You'd do this repeatedly to continue to optimize.
  • 33:07So, our broader research agenda
  • 33:11follows mirrors these image.
  • 33:14So, the vision that we have is that
  • 33:17we could provide the evidence needed for any community
  • 33:19in the U.S to mitigate the adverse health impacts
  • 33:22of extreme heat.
  • 33:23And I'd probably amend that now to say
  • 33:26both extreme and moderate heat,
  • 33:28although we recognize
  • 33:29that they require different strategies,
  • 33:30the same strategies won't be effective for both,
  • 33:33thinking about moderate and extreme heat.
  • 33:36The concrete sort of next steps in that is
  • 33:39to identify optimal health based and location
  • 33:41specific metrics for issuing heat alerts.
  • 33:44We wanna follow up our work on the benefits of
  • 33:49heat alert's heat warnings and heat advisories,
  • 33:53because I think there's
  • 33:55they're probably effective in some circumstances
  • 33:58in some places and in some populations.
  • 33:59And if we knew where they are effective
  • 34:02and under what conditions,
  • 34:03then we can presumably provide information
  • 34:06that helps other communities replicate that effectiveness.
  • 34:09I think there's a lot of potential benefit,
  • 34:11to investigating that further.
  • 34:15And you, one of the shortcomings in this line of research
  • 34:20is that we don't actually have
  • 34:21a centralized database of which,
  • 34:24what local health departments are,
  • 34:26what actions local health departments are taking
  • 34:29in response and preparation for,
  • 34:31and in response to days of extreme heat.
  • 34:33And so one of our goals is to try to,
  • 34:36catalog that we're working with Jeremy has and Nicole era,
  • 34:40at university of Washington.
  • 34:43And then if we can identify again,
  • 34:45the key elements of these interventions and
  • 34:48where they're most effective,
  • 34:50then we can share this information back
  • 34:51with local health departments and say,
  • 34:53"hey, if you have limited resources and you,
  • 34:55"here's what has worked in other settings
  • 34:58"that are similar to your settings
  • 35:00"in terms of whatever characteristics,
  • 35:02"we wanna have about the community.
  • 35:06Okay, so I wanna acknowledge also that,
  • 35:09heat doesn't happen alone.
  • 35:11This is some great work done by Keith Spangler,
  • 35:14who is currently a post-doc in working in my group.
  • 35:17And this was part of his doctoral dissertation at Brown.
  • 35:19And what you see here is different hazards across different,
  • 35:26across New England, sorry.
  • 35:27So, this is a probability of one or more days
  • 35:32with the heat index above 95 degrees.
  • 35:35And so you could see the distribution of that.
  • 35:37So there's parts of New England that are more prone
  • 35:40to getting really hot days.
  • 35:42The distribution of getting an inch or more of rainfall
  • 35:46is quite different.
  • 35:48And similarly, the distribution of the
  • 35:51risk of high ozone days is again different.
  • 35:54And we don't have high PM 2.5 levels in New England.
  • 35:58But, if you were to look at where they are highest,
  • 36:02you can see the distribution again is quite different.
  • 36:05And so if you integrate those into the percent of days with,
  • 36:10one or more hazards during this time period,
  • 36:13you see that there's an interesting distribution where,
  • 36:17parts of the Connecticut river Valley
  • 36:19and Southern Connecticut are particularly,
  • 36:23high risk of being exposed to one or more hazards.
  • 36:28Interestingly, if you connect this with the
  • 36:31social vulnerability index,
  • 36:33this is the CDC social vulnerability index
  • 36:35that is also not homogeneously distributed.
  • 36:38And interestingly, those high vulnerability locations,
  • 36:47also tend to have a higher probability
  • 36:51of having more than one hazard.
  • 36:55This is primarily driven by the distribution of,
  • 36:58the hazard of excess heat,
  • 37:00and somewhat by the excess ozone.
  • 37:02So really interesting to think about
  • 37:06how the hazards overlap with each other
  • 37:10and with social vulnerability
  • 37:13and Keith created a climate risk index,
  • 37:16based on this which looks different
  • 37:19depending on the spatial scale that you look at.
  • 37:22So again, if you combine the hazards
  • 37:24and the social vulnerability, again,
  • 37:25the Connecticut river Valley at Southern Connecticut,
  • 37:28coastal Connecticut show up as places of particularly,
  • 37:34potential pretty high impact.
  • 37:36And if you were to look instead at the,
  • 37:39Boston metropolitan area here,
  • 37:41you can see that on a very fine spatial scale.
  • 37:44There's tremendous heterogeneity as well in this.
  • 37:49Okay, so to close.
  • 37:51So in order to adapt to current and future climate hazards,
  • 37:55local officials need to know what's the current health risk
  • 37:57associated with a given hazard,
  • 37:59what local actions can be taken
  • 38:01to protect the public health.
  • 38:03Do these actions actually reduce the risk of the hazard?
  • 38:07How has the risk likely to change into the future?
  • 38:10I didn't go into that today,
  • 38:11but obviously we have very good projections of future,
  • 38:16temperature changes under different concentration pathways,
  • 38:21so we can predict into the future
  • 38:25under different potential alternative realities.
  • 38:27And we can do this in a repetitive way
  • 38:29to continue to optimize.
  • 38:32And so this just Zooming way out,
  • 38:34highlights the needs and challenges
  • 38:36of translating scientific research
  • 38:38into public health benefits.
  • 38:40So, this none of this would be possible
  • 38:45without a fantastic team local team in my group,
  • 38:51as well as, fantastic collaborators.
  • 38:53Kate Weinberger was a former post-doctoral fellow
  • 38:56that worked with me and is now
  • 38:58at the university of British Columbia.
  • 38:59We have a terrific team at Boston university and formerly,
  • 39:06people were still connected with at Brown
  • 39:08and then fantastic collaborators at Harvard,
  • 39:10university of Michigan,
  • 39:11university of Washington and Mount Sinai.
  • 39:16And of course we all need funding,
  • 39:17and I'm very grateful to the funding from NHS
  • 39:20and Wellcome trust.
  • 39:21So I will stop there and a welcome your questions.
  • 39:29- Great, thanks, Greg, for the very, insightful presentation
  • 39:33and also sharing with us your latest research.
  • 39:38Before we go to the question from the attendees,
  • 39:41we actually, have already pre collected questions
  • 39:45from the our students who attend the
  • 39:49Climate Change and Health seminar.
  • 39:51I'm happy to see actually doing your presentation.
  • 39:55A lot of questions has been answered.
  • 39:57So just, pick some of the questions remaining.
  • 40:01One the heat topic that the students are wondering is
  • 40:04about the effectiveness of the heat index system.
  • 40:08So they're wondering,
  • 40:10like why there's no standard index
  • 40:14in different places, and why there can be some, action of,
  • 40:21why there can be some other matrix
  • 40:23that can be considered like the wet bulb temperature,
  • 40:29which may shows, more spatial rate disperse,
  • 40:34varied effect rather than that or temperature.
  • 40:39- Yeah, it's a great question.
  • 40:41So the national weather service sets up, actually
  • 40:45the national level of the national weather service
  • 40:47makes recommendations of criteria that could be used,
  • 40:52to issue heat alerts and then encourages regional offices
  • 40:56and even local offices to come up
  • 40:58with their own criteria that,
  • 41:01are most appropriate for the populations that they serve.
  • 41:05And so there isn't exact, it's not,
  • 41:08a top-down sort of you must use this,
  • 41:11here's a standardized threshold, which,
  • 41:12some countries have taken that approach.
  • 41:14This is a much more decentralized approach.
  • 41:17So many, many, locations do use the heat index.
  • 41:21And for approximately, Northern location
  • 41:26sort of Northern half of the country
  • 41:29uses a heat index of 105 as a threshold for
  • 41:32issuing heat warnings and,
  • 41:37a threshold of 100 degrees heat index
  • 41:40for issuing, heat advisories,
  • 41:42and then the Southern half of the country, approximately,
  • 41:45each of those is five degrees set at five degrees higher,
  • 41:49but there's a number of locations,
  • 41:50they use their own system, including,
  • 41:53Philadelphia is notable for using
  • 41:59a predictive model of sort of
  • 42:01how many people are at risk from this heat.
  • 42:04New York city has done some terrific work on,
  • 42:08changing the threshold.
  • 42:10So there a number of examples around the country where,
  • 42:14local health departments have worked with the community
  • 42:17to identify what's the most appropriate metric
  • 42:22and threshold for issuing heat alerts.
  • 42:26But the challenge with that approach is that,
  • 42:29it's not a systematic investigation
  • 42:30of what would be work the best.
  • 42:33So one of our goals is to think of,
  • 42:37well, let's look everywhere in the country
  • 42:39and see what either by region or by community
  • 42:42or by climate zones,
  • 42:44what would be the optimal metric for predicting,
  • 42:48which are the most dangerous days of extreme heat,
  • 42:52keeping in mind that it's in nobody's interest to issue,
  • 42:58a very high number of heat alerts each year.
  • 43:01So you really wanna focus each summer on like,
  • 43:03what are going to be the worst days,
  • 43:05how do we identify those
  • 43:06and sort of using a health based perspective
  • 43:09rather than a weather based perspective?
  • 43:10So it's not necessarily the hottest days, but rather,
  • 43:13we know from the work of others that, the,
  • 43:18vulnerability to heat varies by location,
  • 43:22by population and by time of year,
  • 43:25as well as it's been shifting over the years.
  • 43:27And so taking all that into consideration,
  • 43:29can we sort of have a health based metric
  • 43:31for issuing heat alerts heat warnings,
  • 43:36and heat advisory's.
  • 43:36Wet bulb globe temperature is a really interesting one.
  • 43:40There's,
  • 43:43I think that it's potentially very interesting,
  • 43:46and I know that in some occupational settings,
  • 43:49a wet bulb globe temperature is used as the guiding metric.
  • 43:55It has not been to my knowledge been widely used,
  • 43:58in sort of population level, heat warning work.
  • 44:04But I think it'd be really interesting
  • 44:05to look at that as well.
  • 44:08- Great, thanks.
  • 44:09Another kind of very detailed technical question
  • 44:14is one students is wondering,
  • 44:16the previous paper,
  • 44:21where you choose the control days,
  • 44:25because if you have a very higher threshold,
  • 44:28then it's likely that you don't have enough control days.
  • 44:34- That's a great question.
  • 44:35So this refers I believe to Kate's study
  • 44:39of looking at the effectiveness of heat warnings.
  • 44:43And so what we did is we compare days,
  • 44:46of the similar heat index
  • 44:48and with or without a heat warning.
  • 44:50And you're right, that for very hot days,
  • 44:54like if a day is 110 degrees, heat index,
  • 44:55that there's not going to be any days
  • 44:58in that same location of 110 degrees,
  • 45:00that didn't have a heat warning.
  • 45:03So, by so we had to limit ourselves to those days in which,
  • 45:09we sometimes saw a heat warning but not always.
  • 45:13And if, a 90 degree day,
  • 45:16nobody's issuing heat alerts and on 110 degree day,
  • 45:19everybody's issuing heat alerts.
  • 45:20And so we had to focus on the middle.
  • 45:22So one of the limitations of this work is that
  • 45:25it is there's no counterfactual,
  • 45:28there's no information about the counterfactual of like,
  • 45:31what would have happened had we not issued a heat alert
  • 45:33on a very, very hot day?
  • 45:35There's just, there's no data is conditional on location.
  • 45:38So that is one of the challenges.
  • 45:40So we should, our results are generalizable
  • 45:42to those days on which you might,
  • 45:45or sometimes issue heat alerts.
  • 45:47And not outside of that relatively narrow band
  • 45:51of temperatures.
  • 45:54- Thanks.
  • 45:55I think we do have a question from the audience,
  • 46:00one of the first, so,
  • 46:02the question from Stephan Lessen is asking
  • 46:06about one third of the Medicaid population
  • 46:10has no access to the internet.
  • 46:12So how, the heat alerts commonly distributed within cities.
  • 46:17- Yeah, that's a really great question.
  • 46:19And again, it varies a little bit by location.
  • 46:22The several or many of the national weather service,
  • 46:26local offices are actually on social media now, and you,
  • 46:29you could follow them on Twitter, there's, also,
  • 46:34you can sign up for their email newsletters,
  • 46:37that'll warn you of particular, threats,
  • 46:41and you're right that those channels,
  • 46:44while they might reach some segments of the population,
  • 46:47they, probably are focused
  • 46:50on those segments of the population
  • 46:52that are particularly engaged
  • 46:53and maybe not particularly at risk,
  • 46:56for heat specifically.
  • 46:58So, traditionally this was all through TV and radio,
  • 47:03where you would say, national weather service has
  • 47:06issued a heat alert for the next two days, or for,
  • 47:09this region for tomorrow and advises you to,
  • 47:13drink lots of water avoid exposing yourself to
  • 47:16your kids to high heat, et cetera.
  • 47:19So I think they use a combination of traditional
  • 47:24and digital media, channels,
  • 47:28but I think it raises a good question of,
  • 47:31are we reaching the most vulnerable populations,
  • 47:33with these alerts?
  • 47:35And even if we inform people that there's a risk
  • 47:38that doesn't necessarily mean that people are able,
  • 47:41to protect themselves from that risk.
  • 47:44So for instance
  • 47:45when we think of the most vulnerable populations,
  • 47:48you're amongst them sort of perhaps outdoor workers,
  • 47:52so outdoor workers, there are guidelines,
  • 47:56in temperatures above which outdoor workers shouldn't work,
  • 48:00but your roofers and landscapers and construction workers,
  • 48:03they're not getting paid if they're not doing the work.
  • 48:05So sort of the opportunity for not just
  • 48:10reaching and informing people,
  • 48:12but actually giving them options
  • 48:13of how to protect themselves,
  • 48:15is I think a really hard challenge.
  • 48:18You see this also with agricultural workers
  • 48:20and other settings.
  • 48:21So I think that there's we have to move from a model
  • 48:25where we're just trying to reach people,
  • 48:27to give them information to discovering, understanding,
  • 48:32and addressing the hurdles
  • 48:35to actually protecting themselves,
  • 48:37or helping them protect themselves,
  • 48:40rather than sort of just an information deficit model.
  • 48:44- Yeah thanks.
  • 48:45I think, kind of follow up on these detailed questions
  • 48:50one of the students is asking like,
  • 48:53behind this (indistinct) system exactly.
  • 48:57Kind of mixture of all multiple different intervention
  • 49:01matters such as you said, some including TV,
  • 49:05some including other informing approaches.
  • 49:09So, kind of further question is how to,
  • 49:14evaluate the cost and effectiveness
  • 49:17of different approaches when people, when
  • 49:20the public health officials want to inform,
  • 49:25want to intervene.
  • 49:27- Yeah, I think it's a really interesting question.
  • 49:29And so there's two questions.
  • 49:30There is sort of what,
  • 49:32how do you evaluate the effectiveness
  • 49:34of these different channels?
  • 49:37And I think the broader question is,
  • 49:39can we move away from thinking that
  • 49:43a channel of communication or a series
  • 49:47works on the population as a whole?
  • 49:48So, for example, if we,
  • 49:50if you wanna try to reach and protect outdoor workers,
  • 49:54there's probably channels of communication
  • 49:56and engagement that are different
  • 49:58than if you're concerned about seniors
  • 50:01in institutional facilities,
  • 50:03or if you're thinking about kids in school
  • 50:05based environments or summer camp environments.
  • 50:08So I think we probably in our communication strategies
  • 50:11and engagement strategies need to move away
  • 50:13from thinking that if only we use channel X,
  • 50:17we'll reach more people,
  • 50:18it's not about reaching more people,
  • 50:20it's about reaching specific segments of the population
  • 50:23that in specific ways that are amenable to their needs
  • 50:29and the resources available to them.
  • 50:32So I think working with school nurses is a great way
  • 50:34to reach kids in school.
  • 50:36I think working with organized kids activities
  • 50:40is a great way to, reach again,
  • 50:43vulnerable children and adolescents.
  • 50:46But those strategies aren't gonna work in other settings.
  • 50:49So I think it has to be much more targeted
  • 50:51than we're doing now.
  • 50:54- Thanks, yes, those words are insightful.
  • 50:58I do have another question from the audience,
  • 51:01from Alexi, is asking,
  • 51:04is there evidence of political inference,
  • 51:07determining the implementation of the warning system?
  • 51:12- It's a great question.
  • 51:13I actually don't know enough to,
  • 51:16so I haven't seen political influence in that, but,
  • 51:19I haven't worked with,
  • 51:22too many national weather service offices directly.
  • 51:27So I think there's probably others involved
  • 51:32that can answer that more.
  • 51:34One of the interesting linkages is that sort of the
  • 51:38whether these heat alerts trigger local action
  • 51:44varies across locations.
  • 51:46So in New York city,
  • 51:47I understand that every time
  • 51:49the national weather service issues a heat warning,
  • 51:52that triggers a certain number of activities.
  • 51:54Like there's no intermediate decision,
  • 51:56whereas in the city of Boston I understand that
  • 51:59it's when the mayor declares a heat emergency,
  • 52:02which is informed by the national weather service forecast
  • 52:04and heat warnings,
  • 52:05but it's not automatically triggered by.
  • 52:07So I think there's some differences in,
  • 52:10or quite a bit of differences actually around the country
  • 52:13as to whether the national weather service heat alerts
  • 52:17automatically trigger action,
  • 52:19or are they informational,
  • 52:21but the action is triggered by some other mechanism.
  • 52:23And that's one of the things that we need
  • 52:26to get a better handle on across the country is
  • 52:28this the right trigger for local heat action plans to,
  • 52:32and heat responds plans to be activated.
  • 52:35And, I don't have a preconceived notion
  • 52:38as to what the right answer there is.
  • 52:40Maybe this is the optimal trigger
  • 52:42or maybe something that it's appropriate
  • 52:44to have an intermediate step of somebody else sort
  • 52:46of making a judgment call for that local population.
  • 52:50So I think that's an exciting area of research.
  • 52:53- Thanks.
  • 52:54We do have another question from, Rob Tuber.
  • 52:57He's asking,
  • 52:58have you ever looked into the effectiveness
  • 53:00of cooling centers?
  • 53:03- I love cooling centers
  • 53:04because they seem like such a great idea.
  • 53:06Oh, people are know dying or or being hurt by heat
  • 53:11let's provide them a cool place to go.
  • 53:13And the anecdotal evidence is that,
  • 53:17you open cooling centers and very few people go.
  • 53:19And so again, understanding the hurdles of that.
  • 53:22And I think, again,
  • 53:25I've worked somewhat with people in New York city
  • 53:28and I understand that they provide
  • 53:30transportation assistance for vulnerable populations,
  • 53:35because I think one of the hurdles they found was that,
  • 53:40not everybody can get themselves to a cooling center,
  • 53:43so you opened a cooling center and that assumes that
  • 53:44somebody can go.
  • 53:46Okay, so there's cultural barriers to or
  • 53:53barriers in terms of like, well,
  • 53:55what am I going to do there?
  • 53:57Is this a place where I'm actually welcome?
  • 53:58How do I get there?
  • 53:59Can I actually afford, like,
  • 54:01if I work, again,
  • 54:03can I take the time to go do that?
  • 54:05Or if I have, medication needs will I be able to,
  • 54:11treat my medical condition while I'm there?
  • 54:13So I think that cooling centers are really
  • 54:15intuitively attractive option.
  • 54:17And I think with so much of what we do in response to heat,
  • 54:21there is not a body of evidence as to what works.
  • 54:23And I think that's really where we need to
  • 54:26sort of move the field is starting to think
  • 54:28about what works in what settings and for whom,
  • 54:30so that we can really provide evidence-based guidance
  • 54:33for developing solutions.
  • 54:37- Thanks very well said.
  • 54:39We do need a lot of these evidence-based research
  • 54:41on these policy actions.
  • 54:43I do have another follow-up question from the students,
  • 54:48is that actually within your next steps?
  • 54:50So the students is kind of wondering
  • 54:54how do you actually verify the causal assumption
  • 54:59in evaluating the heater systems?
  • 55:03- Yeah, that's great.
  • 55:04So, the best we can do is use the data,
  • 55:12this isn't a randomized, these aren't randomized studies.
  • 55:14So the best we can do is,
  • 55:17use observational data to the best of our ability.
  • 55:20So, can we ever prove that we understand
  • 55:23the causal effect of heat alerts?
  • 55:24No, but I think we can do,
  • 55:27more detailed, more insightful analysis
  • 55:32of the existing observational data.
  • 55:34And I think this idea of there are a range of days.
  • 55:39So going back to the heat warnings,
  • 55:41there's these days where we say,
  • 55:42we're always going to issue a heat warning,
  • 55:44'cause it's just so hot that we just take it for granted
  • 55:46that it's dangerous and we need to do something,
  • 55:49so we're going to do it.
  • 55:50And then there's this other bucket,
  • 55:52a days on the other end where like, it's just,
  • 55:55issuing key warnings is just not likely to be effective,
  • 55:57but there's this middle range where you're like,
  • 55:59should I issue a heat warning?
  • 56:01Yes or no.
  • 56:02And so what we're doing is providing information
  • 56:05on that part, the spectrum, and where we say,
  • 56:09should we issue somewhat more heat alerts
  • 56:11because we can do it right around this threshold,
  • 56:14would that save lives?
  • 56:16And, that's it's not the entire picture.
  • 56:20It would be so interesting to know
  • 56:22on these very hot days when we issue heat warnings,
  • 56:25do they actually prevent deaths?
  • 56:29And the problem is as we said before,
  • 56:31that there's no data on the counterfactual,
  • 56:33like what would have happened
  • 56:35had you not issued a heat alert?
  • 56:37So, there's probably other creative ways to do it,
  • 56:40but we haven't figured that out yet.
  • 56:41So this is really about at the margin,
  • 56:44would you do better issuing say 10%
  • 56:46more heat alerts each year,
  • 56:49or 15% more heat alerts each year?
  • 56:50'Cause you don't wanna issue them if they're not,
  • 56:54there's risks of warning,
  • 56:56fatigue of people not taking it seriously.
  • 56:58Because there are too often and there's some costs
  • 57:01associated with each time you issue it,
  • 57:03if it triggers actions.
  • 57:05So it's again, it's like, no, should we issue a few more?
  • 57:08And in that question, we,
  • 57:10so far our evidence suggests
  • 57:12that there's not widespread benefit of them, but,
  • 57:17sort of with the asterisk that more work is needed on that.
  • 57:22- Okay, thanks, yeah.
  • 57:24I think we have the final comment or question
  • 57:28from Donna Spellman.
  • 57:31I've been struggling to see how implementation science
  • 57:34might promote environmental health.
  • 57:38This project is a perfect example of the connection.
  • 57:40Thanks.
  • 57:41- Thanks Donna.
  • 57:43I think that's a great point.
  • 57:44And I think that there I have not seen a large amount
  • 57:47on implementation science,
  • 57:48specifically oriented towards solutions
  • 57:53in environmental health.
  • 57:56We're really great at describing problems
  • 57:58and less good at figuring out and implementing solutions
  • 58:03and then evaluating their effectiveness.
  • 58:05So I think that this is right for that
  • 58:07because we know there's a risk there.
  • 58:08We just don't actually know exactly what to do about it.
  • 58:11And there are lots of good ideas,
  • 58:12but we need to move from good ideas to,
  • 58:15good evidence supporting specific ideas.
  • 58:20- Great.
  • 58:21I think with that we will conclude, this seminar
  • 58:25and thank you Greg, for this wonderful presentation
  • 58:27on the science-based actions.
  • 58:30And, this seminar will be recorded
  • 58:34and will be posted later.
  • 58:37So thank you all for coming and thanks again Greg.
  • 58:40- Wonderful thanks for the opportunity, bye bye.
  • 58:42- Bye.