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Climate Change and Health Seminar: “Household contributions to and impacts from air pollution in India”

January 11, 2022
  • 00:02<v Dr. Rao>Good afternoon, everyone.</v>
  • 00:03Thank you so much for being here.
  • 00:05First of all, before I start,
  • 00:07I wanted to apologize,
  • 00:08especially for those who are physically present at the venue
  • 00:12that I can't be there in person.
  • 00:14I very recently received an invitation to attend a meeting
  • 00:18that was closed on invitation for a discussion
  • 00:21about energy transitions in the U.S.
  • 00:23that I considered important to attend.
  • 00:26And, I couldn't find any flights that would bring me
  • 00:28to the meeting on time.
  • 00:29Other than one,
  • 00:31for which I am on my way to Newark Airport,
  • 00:34literally right now,
  • 00:35as you listen to this.
  • 00:37But I will,
  • 00:37however, join in about 40 minutes to answer your questions.
  • 00:42So, if you could please just make note of your questions
  • 00:44as we go along.
  • 00:45I'd be happy to discuss them live at the end of this talk.
  • 00:50So, I'm gonna talk today,
  • 00:52about a study that I did while I was working
  • 00:54at The International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis,
  • 00:56IIASA, a few years ago.
  • 00:59That took a couple of years to complete
  • 01:01and finally resulted in the publication,
  • 01:04just a few months ago in nature sustainability,
  • 01:06which makes me very happy.
  • 01:08And the two main reasons I'm interested to do this talk.
  • 01:12The first is,
  • 01:14the empirical insights.
  • 01:16This is the,
  • 01:17only the second study I know of.
  • 01:18And the first in India
  • 01:20that relates the consumption side or the contribution side
  • 01:24of air pollution in India to the impact side.
  • 01:27And specifically,
  • 01:29which households, of what categories of income
  • 01:32contribute to different sources of pollution?
  • 01:35And, to what extent are they impacted by that pollution
  • 01:38in terms of the risk of mortality?
  • 01:41And in doing that,
  • 01:42I think it's important from a policy perspective,
  • 01:46asking this question,
  • 01:47because it allows us to think about consumption
  • 01:50as one of the options for mitigation of air pollution,
  • 01:53and not just looking at end of pipe controls.
  • 01:56And this is one avenue for us to think about
  • 01:59how sustainable consumption can be brought into the fore
  • 02:02in terms of the solutions to address,
  • 02:04not just climate change,
  • 02:05but air pollution as well.
  • 02:07The second reason,
  • 02:08is that to me,
  • 02:08this is a very interesting exercise
  • 02:10in interdisciplinary research.
  • 02:12And specifically in integrated assessment.
  • 02:15So, there was an air pollution group in IIASA.
  • 02:17There is an air pollution group.
  • 02:20Which many of you I know are familiar with,
  • 02:22that run the GAINS Model that I will talk about.
  • 02:24And there's the energy group
  • 02:25that runs an integrated assessment model.
  • 02:27And does other research on energy system transformations
  • 02:31for climate change.
  • 02:33And what I was looking with this group,
  • 02:35I saw that there was these two different groups
  • 02:37that had a completely different work research agendas.
  • 02:43But they had of course,
  • 02:44collaborated to look at co-benefits
  • 02:46between air pollution and climate change.
  • 02:49But never specifically thinking about the relationship
  • 02:51between the contributions from the energy sector
  • 02:55to air pollution.
  • 02:56And who causes that from the household perspective.
  • 02:59And so, I saw these two different groups
  • 03:00and the opportunity to build some bridges between them.
  • 03:04And pull that off after a few years.
  • 03:06So, I think methodologically,
  • 03:08it's an interesting example
  • 03:09of applied interdisciplinary research
  • 03:11that I think would be nice to replicate
  • 03:13in other contexts as well.
  • 03:15So, I wanna provide some background
  • 03:17to air pollution in India.
  • 03:19I'm gonna discuss mostly the methodology that we applied
  • 03:25in doing this,
  • 03:25which I think is the most interesting part to this audience.
  • 03:28And then discuss some of the results
  • 03:30and the implications for policy.
  • 03:36I think it's pretty clear to everyone in this audience
  • 03:39that particulate matter,
  • 03:40fine particulate matter has serious health effects
  • 03:44and leads to the death of over a million people a year
  • 03:48in South Asia alone.
  • 03:49And that affects mainly women and children.
  • 03:52And this is through various diseases
  • 03:54that you're familiar with;
  • 03:55pulmonary diseases, cardiovascular diseases,
  • 03:59lower respiratory infections that children face,
  • 04:02and many others.
  • 04:03The main point I wanted to make about this,
  • 04:05is as you're all familiar with the dose response functions
  • 04:09in terms of the relative risk
  • 04:10and the relationship to concentrations,
  • 04:13to ambient concentrations is nonlinear.
  • 04:15And what this means,
  • 04:16is that you have to make very, very significant reductions
  • 04:19in the concentration levels,
  • 04:21in order to really see significant impacts on health.
  • 04:25And I bring this up because in India,
  • 04:27in particular,
  • 04:28there has been a focus on residential use of cookstoves
  • 04:31as the primary source of air pollution.
  • 04:33And it is specifically,
  • 04:34for indoor air pollution.
  • 04:36And there've been numerous studies and programs over decades
  • 04:41in South Asia,
  • 04:42to try to create improved cookstoves that burn biomass
  • 04:46in a better way,
  • 04:47and have failed for decades.
  • 04:49And that's because,
  • 04:50although they've had some kinds of improvements
  • 04:52in reductions in pollution
  • 04:53and improvements in efficiency of the stoves.
  • 04:56They don't lead to strong enough reductions
  • 04:58in the concentrations in indoor air pollution.
  • 05:01So, it's important to know that there are several other
  • 05:05aspects of air pollution that are from other sources,
  • 05:08that affect people's health.
  • 05:11Those who are burning solid fuels for cookstoves
  • 05:14by ambient air pollution that they inhale
  • 05:16when they leave the house as well.
  • 05:17And that's what this paper is about.
  • 05:18It's about ambient air pollution for the most part.
  • 05:22There's several different sources in the economy
  • 05:24for air pollution,
  • 05:25besides cookstoves.
  • 05:27Households that don't have electricity access
  • 05:29use kerosene for lighting.
  • 05:30And that is an important source.
  • 05:32A lot of people don't know that in urban areas of India,
  • 05:34where they don't have access to biomass,
  • 05:36that they use kerosene for cooking as well.
  • 05:38So, this is also an urban problem.
  • 05:41Traffic and air pollution of course,
  • 05:43is very well known.
  • 05:44And I think there's a stereotype that in cities in India,
  • 05:47the traffic burning diesel from buses
  • 05:51and single stroke engines are really the main cause
  • 05:54of air pollution.
  • 05:55But as I show you,
  • 05:56it's much more complicated than that.
  • 05:58A lot of industry,
  • 05:59as I show the brick kilns over here,
  • 06:01is one primary suspect are also major contributors.
  • 06:06Of course, power plants as well.
  • 06:08And, very often there are times in the year
  • 06:12when the pollution is particularly bad,
  • 06:13as you can see in these photographs,
  • 06:14in New Delhi.
  • 06:15Because you have burning of agricultural fields
  • 06:18to clear the fields for the next seeding.
  • 06:22That takes place next to winter.
  • 06:24And so they cause very, very high concentrations
  • 06:26of pollution.
  • 06:27And those also,
  • 06:28are a little bit misleading because they are concentrated
  • 06:31in a week or two.
  • 06:32And, you know what?
  • 06:33If you look at average air pollution over the year,
  • 06:34they tend to be many other sources that dominate
  • 06:37the agricultural emissions as well.
  • 06:42So, it's known that globally,
  • 06:44all of these sources contribute to air pollution at PM2.5.
  • 06:48But, in different parts of the world,
  • 06:50different sources dominate.
  • 06:52So in the U.S. for example,
  • 06:53power plants and traffic dominate.
  • 06:57But in Northern Africa,
  • 06:58of course, the dust from the desert as a major contributor.
  • 07:03I didn't mention in the previous slide that natural sources
  • 07:06are a very significant contributor as well.
  • 07:08Including dust that's often picked up
  • 07:10from construction work as well.
  • 07:13We'll see how that plays a role in India as well.
  • 07:16And as you can see on the chart here in South Asia,
  • 07:19cookstoves are known to be the largest single source
  • 07:22and contributor.
  • 07:24But this is perhaps I think to the neglect
  • 07:26of many other contributors.
  • 07:28And that's what I wanna focus on in this talk.
  • 07:32(wind whooshing)
  • 07:33(table creaking)
  • 07:34The air pollution levels in cities,
  • 07:35even average annual mean levels are astounding in cities
  • 07:41across India.
  • 07:42Not just the metropolitans like New Delhi and Mumbai.
  • 07:45You're looking at smaller-medium sized cities
  • 07:48that are in the range of one to 5 million as well.
  • 07:50All of which,
  • 07:52have mean concentration levels that not only exceed
  • 07:55the WHO's guidelines of 10 micrograms per meter cube,
  • 07:59but exceed the National Ambient Air Quality Standards
  • 08:04as well, of 40.
  • 08:06And, so the average over the year being so high,
  • 08:09it tells you that in particular times of the year,
  • 08:11this is even more than that,
  • 08:12up to 300, 400 in certain times of the year as well.
  • 08:16So, this is a serious problem,
  • 08:18and this is only urban.
  • 08:20The focus on rural areas tends to be,
  • 08:22like I said,
  • 08:23indoor air pollution from cookstoves.
  • 08:25But as we'll see in the study,
  • 08:26that there are also serious health risks to rural folks
  • 08:30from air pollution as well.
  • 08:33I wanted to briefly mention the New Delhi study,
  • 08:35'cause I think it was insightful
  • 08:36in terms of revealing the different sources of pollution.
  • 08:39This is a study that was done by the air pollution group
  • 08:41at IIASA using the GAINS Model.
  • 08:44And, it shows that if you look at the different causes
  • 08:47of air pollution in New Delhi;
  • 08:50that it's a mix of sources that really,
  • 08:54all of these sources contribute a fair amount.
  • 08:56So, even dust from kicked up by construction work
  • 09:02and by traffic is a significant component.
  • 09:05Burning of bodies and fireworks are a significant component.
  • 09:09Trash burning is extremely important.
  • 09:12Residential cookstoves,
  • 09:13even within and around New Delhi are a significant.
  • 09:18And I said,
  • 09:19this also includes kerosine and not just solid fuels.
  • 09:22Power plants to a small extent.
  • 09:25And a lot from agriculture,
  • 09:26that is in the neighboring regions around Delhi.
  • 09:29A lot of the pollution is from secondary inorganic PM.
  • 09:32And then, this agricultural waste burning,
  • 09:34as I mentioned,
  • 09:35is just a small component.
  • 09:37So really, if you look at all these sources,
  • 09:39over 60% of air pollution in Delhi
  • 09:42is from sources outside of the city center itself.
  • 09:45And that's why it's really important to look at
  • 09:48flows of air pollution across the country.
  • 09:53Let me just give a brief overview of the literature,
  • 09:55especially with relation to environmental justice.
  • 09:58Because there has been a growing number of studies
  • 10:00recently across the world,
  • 10:02that try to understand this,
  • 10:03the idea of our people facing a disproportionate exposure
  • 10:08to air pollution.
  • 10:09And so, we know that people who have studied
  • 10:11health inequality,
  • 10:12find that air pollution is a cause of health inequality
  • 10:16in developing countries, by and large.
  • 10:20And we find that at a global scale.
  • 10:22And those health inequalities also have been associated
  • 10:25with socioeconomic disparities.
  • 10:28So, people of higher income levels
  • 10:30suffer less health impacts from air pollution,
  • 10:33than lower income levels.
  • 10:35And this seems to hold in a lot of parts of the world,
  • 10:38even in Europe.
  • 10:39So, this is not just a developing country phenomenon.
  • 10:43There are some exceptions such as in France,
  • 10:44certain parts of Paris.
  • 10:46You have rich neighborhoods
  • 10:47that also have very high concentrations.
  • 10:49But by and large,
  • 10:49there seems to be a growing environmental justice concern
  • 10:54about the relationship between air pollution,
  • 10:56health inequality and socioeconomic inequality.
  • 11:00We've seen this also in terms of international trade,
  • 11:02that if you think about the air pollution that's exported,
  • 11:07by importing products from countries
  • 11:11where the air pollution impacts are felt.
  • 11:13That also, is an important consideration.
  • 11:15And China in particular,
  • 11:17falls in that category
  • 11:18because they provide the manufacturing capacity
  • 11:21for large part of international consumption, by and large.
  • 11:27There's only one study that I know of,
  • 11:28that's the precedent for the one that I'm talking about.
  • 11:30Which is a study in the U.S.
  • 11:32that has actually looked at inequity in the consumption
  • 11:35of goods and services.
  • 11:37And found that there is a racial and ethnic dimension
  • 11:39to the disparity in air pollution exposure.
  • 11:43But this study also only goes so far
  • 11:45as to look at consumption
  • 11:47in relation to air pollution exposure
  • 11:49for different household groups across the country.
  • 11:53In our study,
  • 11:54what we do is,
  • 11:54we go further and look at mortality impacts.
  • 11:57That is, we factor in the differential vulnerability
  • 12:00of people to exposure,
  • 12:02due in part to the different income levels.
  • 12:05Which provide them with the ability to adapt
  • 12:08or avoid different levels of air pollution.
  • 12:10So, that's the unique aspect of the study
  • 12:12that I'm gonna show you.
  • 12:15Which is really looking all the way from consumption
  • 12:17and sources,
  • 12:18down to mortality risk.
  • 12:22(table creaking)
  • 12:25So, the question we asked,
  • 12:26is can we attribute pollution sources to households
  • 12:28through their consumption patterns?
  • 12:30So the first challenges that the GAINS Model,
  • 12:33The Air Pollution Model,
  • 12:34know air pollution sources in terms of sectors.
  • 12:38So, different industrial sectors,
  • 12:40the transport sector, the household sector.
  • 12:43But, how can we take that back,
  • 12:45trace it back further to different household groups
  • 12:48and their consumption patterns?
  • 12:50So, now we need to understand and trace
  • 12:52the different products and services from the sectors
  • 12:55back to households.
  • 12:57So that was one big challenge that I wanted to address.
  • 13:01And that was one of the bridges that we wanted to build
  • 13:03between the air pollution group and the energy group.
  • 13:06And the second is that,
  • 13:08Can we incorporate households vulnerability
  • 13:10in translating exposure to mortality?
  • 13:12'Cause we also wanted to account for the effect of income.
  • 13:16Here we didn't have a lot of empirical evidence,
  • 13:18but we did apply one paper that had some quantification
  • 13:22of the role of income,
  • 13:24but this was at a national scale.
  • 13:26But we applied that to households across India as well.
  • 13:31So, putting those books together,
  • 13:33we found that it would be useful to organize households
  • 13:36in terms of the income level;
  • 13:38because the income level defines both consumption patterns,
  • 13:41which we can then relate to industry.
  • 13:43And income levels define also vulnerability.
  • 13:45And so that would fall,
  • 13:46it was a good organizing principle,
  • 13:48in order to look at households
  • 13:49and the both sides of the pollution equation.
  • 13:52And so that's what we did.
  • 13:54We looked at household deciles across the country.
  • 13:57So, here is the complex modeling environment.
  • 14:00And I wanted to spend a little time going through this.
  • 14:05So, if I start on the impact side,
  • 14:06which I think most of you might be better,
  • 14:10more well versed than I am.
  • 14:11So, this is not my primary expertise.
  • 14:15So, we looked at mortality by the decile.
  • 14:17And the main innovation was to apply
  • 14:20this vulnerability by decile.
  • 14:21As I mentioned,
  • 14:23higher income groups have lower vulnerability.
  • 14:26And then we used standard concentration response functions
  • 14:32using spatially explicit PM2.5 concentrations,
  • 14:36the grid level.
  • 14:38And then exposure by age, sex and location;
  • 14:43urban or rural,
  • 14:44and by state.
  • 14:46In order to determine the mortality
  • 14:49associated with a given concentration
  • 14:51at different geographic parts of the country.
  • 14:54Now, what was important here is the caveat;
  • 14:57which is that,
  • 14:59while we know the distribution of income
  • 15:01across states in India,
  • 15:03the surveys don't give us a reliable enough estimate
  • 15:06of the distribution of income within a state,
  • 15:08except urban and rural.
  • 15:10So, how are the different income deciles distributed
  • 15:13within rural India,
  • 15:16in a particular state?
  • 15:17We don't quite know.
  • 15:18So what that meant,
  • 15:18is all rural residents in any given state
  • 15:23had the same exposure.
  • 15:24We can't differentiate exposure based on income level
  • 15:27within urban-rural regions within a state.
  • 15:31However, we do have differential exposures
  • 15:33in different states in urban and rural areas,
  • 15:36based on a number of factors;
  • 15:37including where pollution sources are located.
  • 15:40How income is distributed, et cetera.
  • 15:41As I'll mention a little bit more later.
  • 15:45On the contribution side,
  • 15:46the contribution pathway was where we needed an innovation
  • 15:49to link the household survey and consumption by decile
  • 15:55to the final sectors,
  • 15:58which the GAINS Air Pollution understands.
  • 16:00So, let me just spend a minute on this intermediate section.
  • 16:03The three sources of pollution
  • 16:05from a consumption perspective.
  • 16:06There's the direct use by fuels.
  • 16:09So, that's cookstoves and heating fuels
  • 16:12that are burned directly in the household,
  • 16:14As our scope one.
  • 16:16Emissions from the IPCC's language.
  • 16:18And there's transport and electricity is also use fuels
  • 16:21and household expenditure on fuels.
  • 16:24The fuels being gasoline, diesel and electricity.
  • 16:27But the emissions are elsewhere.
  • 16:29So, that's scope two emissions.
  • 16:31And then the third,
  • 16:32is where the consumed goods and services
  • 16:35and lead our trigger air pollution through the manufacturing
  • 16:40of those products and services.
  • 16:42And so, that's where we use extended input-output analysis.
  • 16:46A multi-regional in-product put analysis
  • 16:48that ultimately counts for trade.
  • 16:50To be able to link household survey products
  • 16:53to industry sectors.
  • 16:56Now, this mechanism I had already developed
  • 16:59in my own research.
  • 17:00That is, to be able to do household footprinting
  • 17:03of energy use for different products.
  • 17:06But what we had to do was to extend this,
  • 17:07to create BM2.5 satellite matrix.
  • 17:11And the satellite matrix that we had to map
  • 17:13are input-output sectors directly to the sectors in GAINS.
  • 17:17And that was one of the bridges that we had to build.
  • 17:20And with that,
  • 17:22we were then were able to create
  • 17:25a population weighted national, PM2.5 concentrations,
  • 17:30based on all of the sectors.
  • 17:32But then attribute that to deciles,
  • 17:35income deciles in the country.
  • 17:38Based on the basket of goods and services
  • 17:41that each decile consumed.
  • 17:44So, as you can imagine,
  • 17:45lower income groups tend to consume less stuff,
  • 17:48but they're using a lot more direct fuel.
  • 17:51Whereas higher income groups
  • 17:52don't use any direct fuel at all.
  • 17:54They use electricity.
  • 17:56And of course, they drive cars,
  • 17:58but they consume a lot of stuff.
  • 17:59And so, that's how we wanna kind of see
  • 18:01how they play out in terms of the net effect
  • 18:03of air pollution from these different sources.
  • 18:08Just a quick deep dive for the GAINS Model.
  • 18:10Again, I think a lot of you are familiar with this.
  • 18:13They have a very detailed representation
  • 18:15of point sources of pollution across the country.
  • 18:18Including a spatial representation
  • 18:20from all the sectors in the economy.
  • 18:23Industry transport households.
  • 18:26And they also model end-of-pipe solutions
  • 18:28for all of these different sources;
  • 18:30pollution control, their different costs.
  • 18:33The greenhouse gas emission applications as well,
  • 18:35and a set of different air pollutants.
  • 18:38And they have the ability to define scenarios,
  • 18:42scenarios of control technologies,
  • 18:44applied to different activities in the economy.
  • 18:46And based on the emissions factors
  • 18:48and links to a dispersion,
  • 18:50atmospheric dispersion model.
  • 18:52You can see the effects of controls
  • 18:54on pollution concentrations in different parts
  • 18:57of the country.
  • 18:59And then, look at the effects on mortality
  • 19:01using standard dose response functions
  • 19:03from the Global Burden of Disease.
  • 19:05And then, you could iterate in order to determine
  • 19:10if we had to limit the number
  • 19:11of the extent of health impacts.
  • 19:14What scenarios of pollution control could bring us there?
  • 19:17So, we will be utilizing some of this scenario technology
  • 19:21in this study as well.
  • 19:27So, the direct sources,
  • 19:28as I mentioned.
  • 19:29It was important to understand what households
  • 19:33use what kind of cooking fuels.
  • 19:35Now, we have this data from household surveys.
  • 19:38So, we have an understanding of the demand curves,
  • 19:41if you will,
  • 19:42for different types of households in urban and rural areas,
  • 19:44and off different income levels.
  • 19:47And understanding at what price point they would switch
  • 19:51from gas back to biomass, for example.
  • 19:53So, we have a detailed understanding of what households use
  • 19:57what kind of fuels.
  • 20:00But we had to do a little bit of work
  • 20:01to understand the travel modes for different households,
  • 20:05at different income levels.
  • 20:06Who travels by bus and by rail?
  • 20:08And who has a car?
  • 20:09In order to determine the indirect impact of air pollution
  • 20:14through the transport means of the vehicles that they use.
  • 20:18And the same with electricity,
  • 20:19depending upon how much electricity households use.
  • 20:22The power plant in GAINS would tell us the extent to which
  • 20:27they cause air pollution in power plants,
  • 20:29through their use of appliances
  • 20:31and electronic gadgets at home.
  • 20:34So, that was the two main direct sources.
  • 20:37The scope one and scope two,
  • 20:39as I mentioned.
  • 20:40And then the scope three,
  • 20:41is this household footprinting technique.
  • 20:44Which is a very large number crunching exercise.
  • 20:47Where you have to link household consumption surveys
  • 20:51and map them into a certain industry standard category
  • 20:54called COICOP used in Europe.
  • 20:57And match them to the sectors in the industry
  • 21:00and put output database,
  • 21:03match prices and other fun stuff,
  • 21:06that allows you to create a total embodied energy
  • 21:08that's induced by every unit of consumption
  • 21:10from different products and services.
  • 21:12So like I said,
  • 21:14this is a methodology we'd already developed before.
  • 21:17And the idea was just to link this
  • 21:20to the air pollution model.
  • 21:23One last thing on methodology,
  • 21:24just to provide some sense of the results.
  • 21:27This is a slightly old,
  • 21:28but illustrative graph of the average air pollution
  • 21:31across the country.
  • 21:33And the point is,
  • 21:34that location doesn't matter.
  • 21:37You're seeing here that the average concentrations in India
  • 21:40tend to increase as you go northward.
  • 21:43And this is because of temperature inversions, by and large.
  • 21:49And also because there is a very high concentration
  • 21:51of polluting power plants.
  • 21:54So, mainly the coal belt is largely in the north
  • 21:56and the Northeast.
  • 21:58And so, the combination of those make it unlikely
  • 22:00for people who live in the north.
  • 22:02And so they,
  • 22:02you can imagine that the distribution of people,
  • 22:04if it's the extent to which people are rural and poor,
  • 22:08and live in the north,
  • 22:09they would face a higher level of pollution,
  • 22:11all as equal.
  • 22:13You also can see that the urban centers,
  • 22:15the little dots spread across the map
  • 22:17are also much higher concentrations of pollution,
  • 22:20because of additional sources of pollution in the cities
  • 22:23and in the urban areas.
  • 22:25And that also tells us that the distribution of population
  • 22:28in different urban areas also,
  • 22:31and their income distribution reflects,
  • 22:34or has an impact on who ultimately faces mortality
  • 22:36from all of these combined sources of air pollution.
  • 22:42We did create this pollution inequity index,
  • 22:45which is mortality risk per unit
  • 22:48of contribution to PM concentrations.
  • 22:52It's a bit of a mouthful.
  • 22:53And perhaps not intuitive.
  • 22:55But the reason why we did that
  • 22:56was we can then compare this index
  • 22:58at different income levels.
  • 22:59In order to look at the relative injustice,
  • 23:02if you will,
  • 23:03for different income groups.
  • 23:04The extent to which they are facing higher mortality
  • 23:07per unit of their contribution
  • 23:08to the source of that mortality.
  • 23:11So, that's what we used as well
  • 23:13to try and illustrate the extent of inequity.
  • 23:17Okay, so now let me move to the results.
  • 23:21Let me start with discussing the contributions,
  • 23:24without looking at impacts yet.
  • 23:26So, let me start with the leftmost average bar.
  • 23:29This itself was insightful.
  • 23:30So, this is the total average PM concentrations
  • 23:34and their broad source categories.
  • 23:36So, the lowest one is household cooking fuels.
  • 23:39So, this is primarily solid fuel burning.
  • 23:45And this is already something that we learned new.
  • 23:48So, we generally have the impression
  • 23:49that 30 to 50% of PM2.5 in India,
  • 23:54it comes from solid fuel burning.
  • 23:57But if you look at this green bar,
  • 23:58this is including scope two and scope three emissions.
  • 24:02And, so this household consumption other than cooking
  • 24:06and heating fuels,
  • 24:08is actually a much higher than cookstoves.
  • 24:13So in fact,
  • 24:14it's about 40 to 60%
  • 24:15just if you look at household consumption.
  • 24:17So overall, the indirect household consumption
  • 24:21actually is causing more overall pollution
  • 24:23than does cookstoves alone.
  • 24:26The other interesting thing,
  • 24:27is to see that these non-household consumption.
  • 24:32So, this is government expenditure
  • 24:35called industrial manufacturing;
  • 24:37things like defense,
  • 24:39as well as capital formation.
  • 24:41That's not included in household consumption,
  • 24:43contributes a fair amount,
  • 24:46of the order for a quarter of total air pollution.
  • 24:48And then a big chunk of air pollution
  • 24:49is from natural sources,
  • 24:51like dust, as well as trans-boundary sources.
  • 24:53So, even from Pakistan, for example.
  • 24:55So, all the solutions that we have got,
  • 24:58that I'm gonna show you in this scenarios
  • 24:59can really only addressed 50 to 60% of air pollution
  • 25:03in the country.
  • 25:04So, there's a limit to which we can reduce mortality
  • 25:07just from this study;
  • 25:08from reducing air pollution from household consumption
  • 25:12in particular.
  • 25:14Now, if you look at the right hand side,
  • 25:15we're showing you by decile
  • 25:16with increasing income moving to the right.
  • 25:19The different sources of air pollution
  • 25:21and their contributions.
  • 25:23So you can,
  • 25:24it's intuitive to know that the lowest income households,
  • 25:28their biggest contributor is cooking and heating.
  • 25:32Whereas if you look at the top decile,
  • 25:34they don't cook with biomass very much.
  • 25:37You still have some biomass use
  • 25:39because there are some rural folks
  • 25:40who still fall into the top decile.
  • 25:45Even though it's dominated by urban residents.
  • 25:47And you see that there's,
  • 25:49electricity usage is significant.
  • 25:51So that's power plant emissions.
  • 25:52And passenger transport,
  • 25:54which is very high because people all own cars over here.
  • 25:57And so their individual per capita emissions have very high.
  • 26:01What was very surprising to us,
  • 26:02is the extent in the contribution of food and food waste.
  • 26:05This is food production.
  • 26:07Things like fertilizer use and nitrous oxide and ammonia.
  • 26:11As well as the fossil use for machinery and transport,
  • 26:13and agriculture,
  • 26:14is all reflected in the light green.
  • 26:16Whereas the dark green is reflecting food waste.
  • 26:20That's the burning of food waste,
  • 26:22and that's thrown out in the open.
  • 26:24As well as the municipal waste burning for incineration.
  • 26:29That's a significant contributor
  • 26:31and we attribute waste to households in proportion
  • 26:34to their consumption of food.
  • 26:36And that's why this is proportionate
  • 26:38to the food related air pollution.
  • 26:40And finally,
  • 26:41the other stuff in terms of products and services;
  • 26:43actually it was surprising to us
  • 26:45to be at a smaller contributor than we thought.
  • 26:50So clearly, there's here a trade-off.
  • 26:51So, low-income households are contributing to air pollution
  • 26:54through their cookstove use.
  • 26:55And high-income households are contributing
  • 26:57through their other indirect use;
  • 26:59food, transport, electricity and other stuff.
  • 27:03Just a quick look at urban and rural differences.
  • 27:06So, if you look per decile.
  • 27:09This is the contribution of urban households
  • 27:11to the deciles in aggregate.
  • 27:14And, clearly you see that the highest deciles
  • 27:16tend to contribute the most from urban areas
  • 27:19because rich people tend to be in urban areas in India.
  • 27:22That's really what we're showing.
  • 27:23Whereas in rural areas,
  • 27:25you tend to have fewer people contributing
  • 27:26to the higher deciles.
  • 27:29The other thing is to,
  • 27:30if you look at it per capita basis;
  • 27:32so not looking at the aggregate contribution to deciles.
  • 27:34You notice that in urban areas,
  • 27:36that by and large,
  • 27:37as you go,
  • 27:38as you increase your income level,
  • 27:40your overall contribution to air pollution
  • 27:42isn't increasing very much.
  • 27:43It's really in the highest decile
  • 27:46where you see the biggest change in consumption levels.
  • 27:49And therefore, the biggest impact on air pollution.
  • 27:52Whereas in rural areas,
  • 27:53there's a steady increase in air pollution.
  • 27:56Despite the fact that there is a reduction
  • 28:00in cookstove use.
  • 28:01And, so that tells you that the consumption is offsetting
  • 28:04the reduction in the air pollution from cookstoves.
  • 28:06Even in rural areas,
  • 28:08where cookstove use dominates.
  • 28:11So, now we move a little bit more to the impact side.
  • 28:14So, now we're looking at contributions versus mortality.
  • 28:16If you just focus on the black lines here.
  • 28:22The highest deciles are to the right.
  • 28:23So, the contribution curve is the one sloping upward.
  • 28:27And you see that higher income groups
  • 28:29contribute significantly more to PM concentrations
  • 28:34than do lower income groups;
  • 28:35by a factor of three or so.
  • 28:38And if you look at the dotted black line,
  • 28:40that is showing you the mortality impacts.
  • 28:43So, the lowest income group based on mortality impact
  • 28:46for about 200 premature deaths per a hundred thousand.
  • 28:50This is ambient air pollution alone.
  • 28:53Compared to less than one.
  • 28:55That's a factor of four difference in terms of the mortality
  • 28:58going in the opposite direction.
  • 29:00So you can see here,
  • 29:01this is a kind of headline figure
  • 29:03in terms of the inequity that households are
  • 29:07in low-income decile are contributing so much less,
  • 29:10but facing so much more.
  • 29:13And this is from all different sources.
  • 29:14This is separate from the indoor air pollution
  • 29:16they face from cookstoves.
  • 29:17This is just looking at ambient.
  • 29:21And the blue and the red lines are showing you
  • 29:22the rural and urban households in particular.
  • 29:26And you'll see that they converge.
  • 29:31So, the rural households are dominating
  • 29:32the low-income households,
  • 29:34and the urban households are dominating
  • 29:35the high-income households,
  • 29:36as I showed you earlier.
  • 29:41(table creaking)
  • 29:46Now, we want you to look and isolate
  • 29:47some of the different sources of pollution.
  • 29:49So, we developed two scenarios.
  • 29:51Which we posed as sort of clean up scenarios.
  • 29:54So, you have the clean cookstoves scenario,
  • 29:57where holding everything else constant.
  • 30:00We switched everybody to clean cookstoves.
  • 30:03Which means either electric cookstoves,
  • 30:06whose power plants were all green.
  • 30:07So, they add literally no emissions from the stoves.
  • 30:12But we kept everything else constant.
  • 30:15And the other scenario,
  • 30:17we implemented end-of-pipe solutions
  • 30:20on all other sectors,
  • 30:21except cookstoves.
  • 30:23To the maximum extent of available technologies globally.
  • 30:27So, actually we used Germany.
  • 30:30And, so technology frontier in Germany.
  • 30:33For example, Euro 6 norms for vehicles,
  • 30:34If I remember correctly.
  • 30:35So, very, very stringent controls,
  • 30:39not really considering costs in this particular study
  • 30:42and applied those.
  • 30:43So, what this allowed us to do,
  • 30:47really was to isolate the air pollution impacts
  • 30:50and their distribution from these two sets of sources.
  • 30:54So, in the clean cook source scenario,
  • 30:56when I show you the results in red;
  • 30:57you will see the impact,
  • 30:59the distributional impact of the scope two
  • 31:02and scope three sources.
  • 31:04Which are dominated by higher income groups.
  • 31:07Whereas in the MCO scenario,
  • 31:08which you gonna see in blue;
  • 31:11you're gonna isolate the distributive impact
  • 31:12of dirty cookstoves through ambient air pollution.
  • 31:18So, first I'm showing you what I think is already a pattern
  • 31:21from the previous slides.
  • 31:22Which is this the contributions.
  • 31:23So, their reduction that you get from the clean cookstoves
  • 31:29are shown in red.
  • 31:30And from the end-of-pipe in the rest of the economy in blue.
  • 31:34And you see that the contributions reduce the most
  • 31:38for lower-income groups,
  • 31:40when you impose clean cookstoves.
  • 31:43Which makes sense because they are the higher users
  • 31:44of dirty cookstoves.
  • 31:46And like I mentioned,
  • 31:47the rural households and the rich rural households
  • 31:50still use biomass to some extent.
  • 31:53So, you still have a little bit of that.
  • 31:54But then if you look at the contributions
  • 31:57from the other sectors,
  • 31:58because lower income households don't consume a lot of stuff
  • 32:00in terms of electrical gadgets or they don't have cars.
  • 32:03And they don't consume a lot of stuff.
  • 32:06Their reduction that they face
  • 32:09in terms of contributions,
  • 32:12not face the reductions in their contributions
  • 32:14is lower than the reductions in contributions
  • 32:16for higher income groups who consume a lot.
  • 32:20Now, if we look at the impact side.
  • 32:20This is the key insight in this study.
  • 32:25The avoided mortality from the clean cookstove scenario
  • 32:28is predictably much higher for lower income households.
  • 32:33They're located in areas where there's more cookstove users.
  • 32:35And so, the ambient air quality is much worse
  • 32:37from the cookstoves.
  • 32:38So, that's predictable.
  • 32:40But what was not expected,
  • 32:41is that the contribution from the ambient,
  • 32:45from the other sources;
  • 32:46industry, transport, electricity,
  • 32:49also falls disproportionately
  • 32:50on these lower income households.
  • 32:53And that's in contrast to the contribution.
  • 32:56So this is the impact side,
  • 32:59and this is the contribution side.
  • 32:59And you clearly see how the,
  • 33:02it's the other consumption that is disproportionately
  • 33:05affecting lower income households
  • 33:07from ambient air pollution.
  • 33:09And that is really the main insight from the study
  • 33:11that we were not expecting.
  • 33:12And as I mentioned,
  • 33:14this has to do with where points offices are located,
  • 33:16in relation to low-income households.
  • 33:18It has something to do with the differences
  • 33:20in urban and rural populations across the country.
  • 33:23As well as this temperature inversion in the north.
  • 33:25All of these contribute to this imbalance.
  • 33:29If you look at this pollution inequity index,
  • 33:33it may seem a little counterintuitive.
  • 33:35But the red dots are showing you the inequity
  • 33:41in the clean cooking scenario.
  • 33:43Which means this is the inequity in just the other sources.
  • 33:47And that's why you see here.
  • 33:49The pollution inequity is much higher
  • 33:52in this scenario where you have clean cookstoves.
  • 33:56Because the ambient sources of their pollution
  • 33:58are causing higher mortality disproportionately
  • 34:00on lower income groups.
  • 34:01Whereas the pollution inequity index is not as steep
  • 34:05in the case where you clean up the rest of the economy
  • 34:07and leave dirty cookstoves.
  • 34:11So, that's really the key,
  • 34:11the point here.
  • 34:12Now, I wanted to make sure that we put it into context,
  • 34:17mortality associated with ambient,
  • 34:19compared to indoor air pollution.
  • 34:21Because it still remains the case,
  • 34:23that indoor air pollution really is the biggest problem
  • 34:25in terms of mortality from air pollution.
  • 34:28(creaking sound)
  • 34:29Is the order of magnitude higher deaths
  • 34:30that are caused by indoor air pollution?
  • 34:32As you all know,
  • 34:33the concentration levels are associated
  • 34:37with cookstoves indoor.
  • 34:38We take a 300 micrograms or more per meter cube.
  • 34:42And so therefore,
  • 34:44if you just look at the overall introduction in mortality
  • 34:48from clean cookstoves,
  • 34:50accounting also for indoor air pollution.
  • 34:52Of course, you see that the lower income groups
  • 34:55benefit the most.
  • 34:57But that's really mostly from the indoor air pollution.
  • 35:00The inequity from the outdoor air pollution in blue,
  • 35:04you're still seeing as falling disproportionately
  • 35:05on lower income households.
  • 35:07You're just seeing that the in absolute terms,
  • 35:11it's still a lot less than indoor air pollution
  • 35:13related deaths.
  • 35:14So, we wanted to make sure that we're not saying that
  • 35:18clean cookstoves aren't as important to clean up,
  • 35:20due to indoor air pollution.
  • 35:21In fact, they still remain the most important
  • 35:24mitigation measure.
  • 35:27So, I just wanted to put that into context.
  • 35:29(button clicking)
  • 35:30So, just to conclude,
  • 35:34the cookstove contributions,
  • 35:37we found some interesting insights.
  • 35:39Namely, that the contribution to ambient air pollution
  • 35:41is 40% of that,
  • 35:43of the other sources;
  • 35:44that is triggered by household consumption.
  • 35:47And that's ignoring transplant resources, natural sources,
  • 35:50as well as government related pollution.
  • 35:54As well as capital formation.
  • 35:59So, that itself is an insight that we need to think about
  • 36:02the household contributions to air pollution
  • 36:03from other sources.
  • 36:05We found that lower income households
  • 36:07tend to face a disproportionate mortality risk burden
  • 36:12from ambient air pollution.
  • 36:14And this has to do with the location of point sources
  • 36:17around the country
  • 36:18and the distribution of populations.
  • 36:20But, despite all of that,
  • 36:23really clean cookstoves are an important mitigation measure
  • 36:26because of the impact on indoor air pollution.
  • 36:30But overall,
  • 36:30I think the importance of this study
  • 36:32is really to think about in the broader context,
  • 36:35indoor air pollution-
  • 36:36um, sorry.
  • 36:38consumption as a means of mitigation of air pollution.
  • 36:42There's a growing interest
  • 36:43in the climate mitigation literature
  • 36:44to focus more on demand side options.
  • 36:46And therefore, it's important to think about the co-benefits
  • 36:49from sustainable consumption as well.
  • 36:51And you don't really think about that very much.
  • 36:53But there's a broader theme here.
  • 36:56That we tend to export pollution
  • 36:57associated with our consumption in so many different ways.
  • 37:00Climate change is an obvious one where we export them
  • 37:02to future generations.
  • 37:03And from richer countries to poorer countries.
  • 37:06That's been shown by the IPCC.
  • 37:08Time and again,
  • 37:10we see that with waste, of course.
  • 37:11We export our waste to different countries as well.
  • 37:13But we're also seeing that in terms of air pollution,
  • 37:16more and more,
  • 37:17now across countries and within countries as well.
  • 37:20And so this the main result from this study.
  • 37:24And so lastly,
  • 37:25I wanna point out on the methodological side.
  • 37:27I think that this study is generalizable
  • 37:28in terms of the approach.
  • 37:30This could be applied to really any economy.
  • 37:33If you have the analytical framework
  • 37:35to calculate your footprints.
  • 37:38And you have an air pollution model
  • 37:40with an atmospheric dispersion.
  • 37:42It's possible to do this kind of analysis
  • 37:44and really have any context,
  • 37:46just by replacing the data.
  • 37:48And I think that would be something
  • 37:49that would be useful to do.
  • 37:50As I mentioned,
  • 37:52just to think about sustainable consumption more broadly.
  • 37:55So, thank you for your attention.
  • 37:57And now, I will be joining you live
  • 37:59in order to answer questions that you may have.
  • 38:01Thanks very much.
  • 38:03<v ->Thanks, Dr. Rao,</v>
  • 38:05for this very wonderful talk.
  • 38:08And actually,
  • 38:10all your questions, Dr. Rao
  • 38:12as we seen them.
  • 38:14And, as you may find out.
  • 38:16During his talk,
  • 38:18some of your questions has been already answered.
  • 38:20Like, the DTR zone,
  • 38:22the pollution inequity effects,
  • 38:23or whether his approach could be applied
  • 38:25to other different countries or settings.
  • 38:29But collectively, I think your questions
  • 38:35are falling within the two things.
  • 38:39We can ask Dr. Rao to answer them live.
  • 38:42And in the meantime,
  • 38:43for our,
  • 38:45the other online audiences,
  • 38:46if you do have any questions,
  • 38:48please feel free to post your questions in the chat box
  • 38:51and we will do the Q &amp; A as well.
  • 38:56So, Dr. Rao,
  • 39:00if you,
  • 39:01I see you here.
  • 39:02So, if you can unmute yourself,
  • 39:06then maybe we can start the Q &amp; A section.
  • 39:11<v ->Sure. Hi.</v>
  • 39:12I hope you can hear me okay?
  • 39:14<v ->Yeah, we hear you very well.</v> <v Dr. Rao>Great.</v>
  • 39:15<v ->Thanks for joining us this way on the (indistinct)</v>
  • 39:19So, I think before the whole audience can ask questions,
  • 39:25we can first start with the students,
  • 39:28the questions they have.
  • 39:30The first type of questions,
  • 39:32is generally about relationship between air pollution
  • 39:35in the country and some of the detailed questions,
  • 39:38for example,
  • 39:39students are wondering,
  • 39:41what's the link between the global versus local actions?
  • 39:45And among the different countries;
  • 39:48Do development rise play in a role in determining
  • 39:52the inequity in the air pollution exposure.
  • 39:56And also, in terms of the content of impact.
  • 40:00Data that also recent COP26,
  • 40:03address those issues indirectly
  • 40:07or maybe completely ignore them.
  • 40:09So, Dr. Rao?
  • 40:13<v ->Yeah, that's a very interesting set of questions</v>
  • 40:16around the link between climate change and air pollution.
  • 40:17And kind of a global,
  • 40:20the global imperatives versus the local imperatives
  • 40:24of feeding up air pollution.
  • 40:25What's interesting about the cookstoves,
  • 40:26is that the biomass cookstoves
  • 40:29have a lot of their own emissions;
  • 40:33short-term forces that cause climate change.
  • 40:36And they're extremely inefficient.
  • 40:38So, when we switch over to even gas-based stoves
  • 40:41or LPG stoves;
  • 40:42even though gas is produced in fossil resources
  • 40:47and causes CO2 emissions.
  • 40:50The net effect on climate is actually almost negligible.
  • 40:52Because the efficiency of gas stoves is so much higher
  • 40:54and you avoid all of the other short-term climate forces.
  • 40:58The net effect is almost negligible.
  • 41:00So in other words,
  • 41:02to switch over to LPG stoves,
  • 41:04which is currently the most popular substitute
  • 41:08is not a climate issue.
  • 41:10Which is good,
  • 41:11because people often saw that as a potential conflict.
  • 41:15If you will, to electric stoves,
  • 41:16which I do think is the long-term solution.
  • 41:18Initially in India,
  • 41:20because we have a coal dominant electric sector.
  • 41:22It would be an increase in emissions,
  • 41:26CO2 emissions in the short-term.
  • 41:29But in the long-term,
  • 41:29as you decarbonize the electric sector,
  • 41:31of course, the idea is that the electric stoves
  • 41:33will be zero carbon.
  • 41:35So, that is the immediate impact of cookstoves and climate.
  • 41:41Broadly, this topic is not really addressed so much
  • 41:43in the sort of co-benefits
  • 41:45that richer people tend to look much more at transport;
  • 41:48because that's a clear co-benefit,
  • 41:51reducing air pollution and reducing emissions
  • 41:53in decarbonizing transport.
  • 41:55So, I do think cookstoves need to be brought
  • 41:58into the equation a little bit.
  • 41:59Because there's a strong development core benefit
  • 42:02of pursuing cookstoves.
  • 42:04And potentially, a climate benefit in the long-term
  • 42:06with electric cookstoves.
  • 42:09And I don't think there has been any focus on this
  • 42:10in the negotiations.
  • 42:12We far removed from it really.
  • 42:14It doesn't really factor in.
  • 42:17But I do think,
  • 42:18a lot of the climate policy in developing countries
  • 42:21needs to be looked at as development first.
  • 42:24That is, looking at development policies entry point,
  • 42:27and doing that in a manner that's climate friendly.
  • 42:29In that kind of a conversation,
  • 42:31looking at cookstoves is really important.
  • 42:35(cricket chirping)
  • 42:35<v Facilitator>Thanks, Dr. Rao.</v>
  • 42:37The second type of question is,
  • 42:40you have shown there is very vast differences
  • 42:44in terms of the deciles
  • 42:49regarding the lowest of income (indistinct) contribute,
  • 42:52the less, but they suffer the most from the air pollution
  • 42:55related mortality.
  • 42:57And so, the students are wondering.
  • 42:59Are there any policies to effectively check the status quo?
  • 43:04So, how can we reduce this inequity?
  • 43:08Particularly, through consumption.
  • 43:11Examples, these students are wondering,
  • 43:13what are the most cost effective and last floating options
  • 43:17that work?
  • 43:18How do we incentivize the behavioral changes
  • 43:22for people to,
  • 43:24for example, you mentioned cookstoves.
  • 43:25How can we incentivize people to use more clean cookstoves
  • 43:32and a whole,
  • 43:33also you showed that for the high-income population;
  • 43:37accurately, the food and food waste
  • 43:41has the kind of the large contribution to the air pollution.
  • 43:45So, how can we reduce this urban food waste?
  • 43:50And then lastly,
  • 43:52What are the key policy challenges
  • 43:54that you could have going on?
  • 43:56Do you know whether these policy
  • 43:58has been achieved on so far?
  • 44:04<v ->Yeah.</v>
  • 44:05So, the policy or the situation,
  • 44:06as with a lot of climate issues.
  • 44:08There's a big disconnect between reality
  • 44:10and what we see in our models and analysis.
  • 44:13So, seeing air pollution as a consumption issue,
  • 44:15is very far removed from policy.
  • 44:18I think air pollution policies are focused a lot on,
  • 44:23like I said,
  • 44:23in end-of-pipe solutions.
  • 44:25And those are really still the main focus of policy.
  • 44:29Cookstoves in particular,
  • 44:31even just simply coming up with a cost-effective
  • 44:35alternatives has been very, very difficult.
  • 44:37As I mentioned in India,
  • 44:40the main substitute has been
  • 44:41LPG, liquid petroleum gas stoves.
  • 44:44And there has been a very successful experiment
  • 44:46in the last few years by the Modi government.
  • 44:49Where 15 million households
  • 44:51actually were given free cookstoves and one cylinder.
  • 44:56And that was seen as a major success,
  • 44:58especially in urban areas.
  • 45:00But, we found from research subsequent to that program,
  • 45:05that people didn't end up using the gas stove so much.
  • 45:08And the reason is that,
  • 45:09even though they got a free stove,
  • 45:11the fuel was too expensive.
  • 45:13And the fuel has not been subsidized enough.
  • 45:16In fact, the prices have been liberalized
  • 45:18over the last decade.
  • 45:19So, that's the problem.
  • 45:22We need to subsidize both the fuel and the stove.
  • 45:25If you really want a sustained shift over to other fuels.
  • 45:29Because people may be familiar that people stack stoves,
  • 45:32they have multiple stoves;
  • 45:35and they use the one that's cheapest.
  • 45:36So, the policy solutions are not successful yet.
  • 45:41Let alone, look at consumption.
  • 45:44In the area of consumption,
  • 45:45I think behavioral change to reduce consumption;
  • 45:47I mean, we can think about that as being extremely difficult
  • 45:50in any context.
  • 45:52What's more important maybe from the study,
  • 45:54is to focus on food and food waste
  • 45:56as an air pollution issue.
  • 45:58Which is not often viewed that way.
  • 46:00So, thinking about cleaning up waste;
  • 46:02not only for recycling,
  • 46:04but to control how it's disposed off
  • 46:06and to prevent its burning,
  • 46:08or doing controlled burning.
  • 46:10Having incineration in an organized manner in cities,
  • 46:13where they have controls for pollution.
  • 46:16That, I think is probably the insight that's most important
  • 46:19from this study with regards to policy more broadly.
  • 46:25<v Facilitator>Thanks Dr. Rao for sharing that insight</v>
  • 46:26and expanding.
  • 46:28We do have a few minutes left at that.
  • 46:31Any of our,
  • 46:32also online audience want to ask a question,
  • 46:34please feel free to post the question on the chat box.
  • 46:37Or if you want to ask directly,
  • 46:41feel free to unmute yourself.
  • 46:44And before we move on,
  • 46:48I even had another question regarding this type of research
  • 46:53that Dr. Rao,
  • 46:54you showed us that the very drastic differences
  • 47:00in the low-income country,
  • 47:04low-income communities versus the high-income communities
  • 47:06in terms of the inequity.
  • 47:09So, this type of Pollution Equity Index.
  • 47:16You mentioned that it can be applied to different countries.
  • 47:20So, I'm particularly wondering,
  • 47:21that do you have any plans for future work,
  • 47:24like, focusing on not just India but in the United States?
  • 47:27Because, one,
  • 47:30the recent researchers found that,
  • 47:32actually the food production consumption also contributes,
  • 47:39is also a major contribution to the ambient air pollution
  • 47:42due to the house impacts in the United States as well.
  • 47:45So, I'm thinking about,
  • 47:47if you can apply this Pollution Equity Index
  • 47:51to the United States,
  • 47:52what could be some of the major messages that you can wave
  • 47:58for policy makers?
  • 48:00<v ->Yeah, actually there is a research group.</v>
  • 48:04I had mentioned it,
  • 48:05I think in part of this talk.
  • 48:06A Tesa metal paper, it's in Phoenix.
  • 48:10I believe Phoenix,
  • 48:11where they have done a very nice study
  • 48:14that does this relationship between consumption
  • 48:17and air pollution.
  • 48:19And so, we do have research groups
  • 48:22and the data are available in the U.S.
  • 48:24to do this analysis.
  • 48:25The missing piece there,
  • 48:26in that study was to take exposures
  • 48:29at a especially granular level
  • 48:31and convert that into mortality risk.
  • 48:34So, that's the part that we'd need to be done.
  • 48:35And then, one can look at pollution equity,
  • 48:38not just in terms of exposure and consumption comparisons;
  • 48:41But mortality consumption.
  • 48:43And I think that would be a useful step to do.
  • 48:47I don't personally, have access to those data.
  • 48:50I'm on energy side.
  • 48:52I am working in fact,
  • 48:54on residential energy in the U.S.
  • 48:57at a detailed spatial granularity,
  • 49:00with spatial granularity.
  • 49:01And it would be an opportunity to team up
  • 49:02with air pollution folks to...
  • 49:06Kyle is an example of it himself.
  • 49:08(chuckles)
  • 49:08To look at that kind of inequity
  • 49:11or looking at mortality risks for specific communities
  • 49:14and comparing it to consumption levels.
  • 49:16And I think that is certainly something that's worth doing,
  • 49:20and possible for us to collaborate and do in the future.
  • 49:23<v Facilitator>Excellent, yeah.</v>
  • 49:24I think that'll be a very emerging field
  • 49:29for a lot of researchers like you.
  • 49:32Working in handy site for researchers
  • 49:34in the air pollution field
  • 49:36and for our students and all our audiences working
  • 49:39maybe in the environment of agricultural food.
  • 49:41So, thank you, Dr. Rao.
  • 49:43I don't see there's,
  • 49:47but there's one question.
  • 49:51<v ->I see one more question in the chat.</v>
  • 49:53<v Facilitator>Yes.</v>
  • 49:54Okay, Richter Autry. <v ->Yeah.</v>
  • 49:57<v Facilitator>So, Richter Autry;</v>
  • 49:58Do you think it would be more efficient to enrol
  • 50:00with the private sector in bringing about a faster
  • 50:04and more efficient change?
  • 50:08<v ->Mm.</v>
  • 50:10Um...
  • 50:12I think the private sector will be undoubtedly necessary
  • 50:14for the implementation of these policies.
  • 50:15They will be the provider of these technologies,
  • 50:18for sure.
  • 50:19I think, it also would require
  • 50:22as much government regulation as well to guide investments.
  • 50:27I think for example,
  • 50:28with norms for automobiles standards.
  • 50:34Those are generally regulated wherever you go.
  • 50:38It's something that has to be regulated
  • 50:40'cause there's not much incentive.
  • 50:43There's no private benefit associated
  • 50:44with the air pollution reduction.
  • 50:46And so, it has to be guided by policy.
  • 50:49But I think,
  • 50:50there could be,
  • 50:51it has to be asked whether there's enough incentive
  • 50:53for the providers of those technologies
  • 50:56to enter the market for them.
  • 50:58So, that definitely is an issue.
  • 50:59I think with cookstoves,
  • 51:02it's not necessarily an issue.
  • 51:04There's plenty of market incentive to provide,
  • 51:06to sell these stoves.
  • 51:08The government has to just subsidize them.
  • 51:10Make them affordable.
  • 51:12And for other end-of-pipe solutions;
  • 51:15cleaning up waste, for example.
  • 51:16that is another externality.
  • 51:18It's hard to see just the private sector leading that.
  • 51:23But I do think they have to be involved
  • 51:24in terms of providing the technologies.
  • 51:26But, I think regulation is really the answer
  • 51:29in terms of making a shift today.
  • 51:34<v Facilitator>Thank you, Dr. Rao.</v>
  • 51:35Yes, I think this speaks to the very core
  • 51:40of what the purpose of the caption the house constitution,
  • 51:46is to train the next generation of leaders
  • 51:50who might be the policy makers
  • 51:51than to have us tackle on this issue.
  • 51:53So, thank you for Vanessa.
  • 51:56And thank you so much for answering the Q &amp; A.
  • 51:59I don't think there'll be other questions.
  • 52:01And so, maybe we can check out.
  • 52:03We can have five minutes earlier.
  • 52:04And thank you all for joining us,
  • 52:07in person and online.
  • 52:09Thank you.
  • 52:09I think we can give a round of applause for Dr. Rao.
  • 52:13<v ->Thank you so much for tolerating this suboptimal</v>
  • 52:16form of communication,
  • 52:17but I appreciate it.
  • 52:20Bye-bye.
  • 52:21(indistinct)